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well put Doc.
ETA: I think it's funny that a soldier that hated being over there is 'backing' the war; by backing I'm referring to not bashing it and believing in the cause and the people bashing it are the ones that haven't been there.
I know the typical response is that "they joined up so they have to believe in it, they joined up so they are in a different mindset"..blah blah blah but a LOT of people that are over there signed up LONG before this war started. They may complain about being there but the complaints that I have heard from soldiers that are there (and I heard from a lot because of other boards I am on and I know several personally that have been and come back) is about the heat and lack of funding - personal body armor and vehicle armor mostly. I haven't heard a single soldier complain about the cause. Osama and Saddam are bad people. PERIOD. They are a threat to us. Sure the justification was wrong (WMD) but they could have been there and maybe still are.
I am not a supporter of the war but I certainly believe in supporting our troops there. Do I think we should 'bringour troops home"? Not right now. I think that if we pull out now we're fucked. Have we solved anything? I think so.
I haven't been over and hopefully never have to go to war but I think we are doing some good. Personally I think we should bomb the piss outta em. I hate seeing what they do to our people there and how we treat them fairly well when they are in our custody. I see the stuff about the "torture" to some of the prisoners in our custody - good. Fuck em up. They chop their captures heads off, we give 3 square and clothing. Fuck them. Using children, IED and shit - fuckin assholes.