i got them from motomarket a while ago. they were pretty expensive (probably cuz it's motomarket, but they're a great group of folks so i don't mind supporting the local business), i think $300-350ish or so, but well worth it because of how versatile they are -- literally a 3.5-season set of pants, although sometimes in the summer it gets a little too toasty, but then it's just time to ride at night

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