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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Kurtz View Post
    Cheating sucks.

    That said, doesn't LRRS typically suspend the fuel spec rule during ASRA events? Maybe Graham can chime in.
    I specifically asked Graham via PM early last season regarding fuel spec during the ASRA races. LRRS rules supersede ASRA/CCS rules during an LRRS event.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    If LRRS doesn't, then we have a problem and the entire idea of spec fuel needs to be scrapped.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Lrrs tests fuel randomly pretty often. I got checked at least 7 times last year and every time I placed on a SS race.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    Lrrs tests fuel randomly pretty often. I got checked at least 7 times last year and every time I placed on a SS race.
    Read the quote, specifically referencing ASRA weekends.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    ASRA weekends you can still get checked by CCS. Also ASRA checked the top 3 finishers for weight. I don't remember of they took fuel samples though.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    I'll never understand cheating. You actually changed the course of history and if you won, you really didn't.. I'm sure for cheaters it wouldn't matter

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    I don't remember of they took fuel samples though.
    Welcome to the debate Sav.... that's kind of what started this....

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    Welcome to the debate Sav.... that's kind of what started this....
    i guess the real question is why didnt Jim protest him then?

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Ah, for some reason I though I remembered something about not wanting to discourage ASRA racers(who might be tuned to other fuels) from coming and competing.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    i guess the real question is why didnt Jim protest him then?
    CCS/LRRS dont check fuel during the ASRA races at NHMS.
    I could have protested it. I thought the cost to protest was $100 (but it's actually cheaper), and the prize money was $100. so i didnt bother.
    i'm more annoyed that he cheated again and this time got caught, and that he associates with a known cheater. like it was mentioned earlier, why bother at the club level?

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    IT'S ALL ABOUT THA BENJAMINS, BAAAAAABY!


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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Jim, you also run the risk of being wrong, losing your money, and being "that guy".

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny Rocket View Post
    Jim, you also run the risk of being wrong, losing your money, and being "that guy".
    Isn't that the summary of Jim's racing career?

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Kurtz View Post
    Cheating sucks.

    That said, doesn't LRRS typically suspend the fuel spec rule during ASRA events? Maybe Graham can chime in.
    Nope, out of region racers are told they have to abide by the local track rules.....
    Bring it to our attention and it will be solved.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    CCS/LRRS dont check fuel during the ASRA races at NHMS.
    I could have protested it. I thought the cost to protest was $100 (but it's actually cheaper), and the prize money was $100. so i didnt bother.
    i'm more annoyed that he cheated again and this time got caught, and that he associates with a known cheater. like it was mentioned earlier, why bother at the club level?
    If your protest is upheld you get your money back.
    At the club level it's important to adhere to the spec fuel rule for a number of reasons.
    1. Fairness.
    2. Keep some sort of control on costs....some of the exotic rocket fuels are $20-$50 per gallon
    3. While smelling any fuel (burnt and un-burnt) is not good - some of the more exotic fuels out of the exhaust pipe are extremely carcinogenic.... and in close racing you may have your face right near a competitors exhaust.
    4. They ARE ALL BANNED for sale by the State in New Hampshire ON OR OFF ROAD
    ps over the years testing fuels. (as far back as early 70's in dirt Speedway) - it's typically the back-markers that cheat - thinking " it will give ME an advantage" - forgetting there is no substitute for skill & experience. Top runners fuel is always SPOT ON.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by xsiliconkid View Post
    ps over the years testing fuels. (as far back as early 70's in dirt Speedway) - it's typically the back-markers that cheat
    Great, does this mean I'm going to be a fuel testing target now that I've got white plates?

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    only if you smell!
    Seriously, with the spec fuel rules it is easy to spot any cheater!

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    Great, does this mean I'm going to be a fuel testing target now that I've got white plates?
    Red numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Red numbers?
    Black numbers, I'm now part of the slow half of Expert ULSB.

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    Re: Start bringing $ with you to protest

    Sounds like you need to start running MR12 Jim...everyone's doing it


    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Isn't that the summary of Jim's racing career?
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