AM middlewieght race on Sunday

[Paul_E_D]

Best solution is to be the fastest person on track into T11, then no one can even get set up to stuff you into 12 and you can take whatever line you like.

[Petorius]

Ya, unfortunately the guy I battle with told me I'm parking it in 11. He is going to start clipping me into 12 once he gets comfortable with that pass.

[JettaJayGLS]

Early Apex 11. This will give you greater entrance speed (protecting a pass in 11) and will cause a wide exit putting you on the inside of 12 (protecting a pass in 12). The downside here is that you are going to suffer greatly with less drive onto the front straight because your flip in 12a is going to be slow. But the straight is wide so ride that bitch to the wall and you may just hold him off by the line.

The first time you try this, the guy behind will be up your ass into 11. You will most likely have slowed him down with this move by taking away his line and he would be lacking drive onto the straight as well.

The next time youtry this move, if he was smart, we would have given you a slight gap in 11 to take a proper line through 12 and smoke your ass to the line.

[The Snowman]

I always found that straight-lining between 11 and 12 was the fastest and best defensive line. I've made quite a few passes in that space and each rider that I have passed held T11 too long. Why would you hold T11 longer? It's not only longer in terms of distance, it also forces you to have to turn harder in the left hand part of T12 to get a straighter line out onto the straight. By taking the point to point line, you don't have to give as much bar input to get up the track.

I found that line out by talking with Pete G and a couple of seasons back, when NHMS put tar snakes on cracks in T11-12 and the point to point line was the best way to avoid them.

[nhbubba]

Hold 11 longer to brake later, use more of the 10-11 straight. Guy who tips for 11 earlier needs to brake on the flat sooner.

I think. Maybe.

[Paul_E_D]

One word: momentum. I can definitely say that you cannot carry as much momentum through there cutting from the apex of 11 straight to 12. When cranking fast laps on the 125 the only way to nail a 16 was to carry 2nd gear (similar to 4th on a big bike) through 12. The only way to do this was to hold 11 a little longer so you can get into 12 a bit more square and get your drive started onto the straight as soon as you hit the first apex of 12.

If you take the defensive line into 12, you have to almost stop at the first apex to get the bike in there and you will not be able to open the gas until you are almost out of the chicane.

On a clean lap, this (holding 11 a bit) will be faster on any bike IMO. But the other line works and is much more defensive.

[Pittenger5]

If you aint butchering, you aint racing.

[The Snowman]

One word: momentum. I can definitely say that you cannot carry as much momentum through there cutting from the apex of 11 straight to 12. When cranking fast laps on the 125 the only way to nail a 16 was to carry 2nd gear (similar to 4th on a big bike) through 12. The only way to do this was to hold 11 a little longer so you can get into 12 a bit more square and get your drive started onto the straight as soon as you hit the first apex of 12.

If you take the defensive line into 12, you have to almost stop at the first apex to get the bike in there and you will not be able to open the gas until you are almost out of the chicane.

On a clean lap, this (holding 11 a bit) will be faster on any bike IMO. But the other line works and is much more defensive.

Interesting. Too bad I won't be able to try this out this year.

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Ginness72
It was me ....

[CEO]

[cdovego]

Ginness72
It was me ....

This is like watching a craigslist missed connection ...connection!

[butcher bergs]

[Petorius]

This is progressing too slowly. Come on guys, I'm almost done with lunch.

[Pigman]

No it was ME.................and you suck too

[TTD]

One word: momentum. I can definitely say that you cannot carry as much momentum through there cutting from the apex of 11 straight to 12. When cranking fast laps on the 125 the only way to nail a 16 was to carry 2nd gear (similar to 4th on a big bike) through 12. .

It's a better man than me that can carry 4th through turn 12 and still get a drive out onto the straight!

[CEO]

yeah what is that some kinda pizza pie sprocket? lol

[Paul_E_D]

No. 14/38. The gp bikes have very different internal gearing. 1st is equal to 3rd on a streetbike.

[TTD]

Paul... I think the point is that you're saying a hot lap on a 125 requires second gear through turn 12 and that is equivalent to 4th on a regular bike.

We are saying a hot lap on a regular bike could never be 4th gear through turn 12

[CEO]

Either way that's some hella cornerspeed, son!

[Paul_E_D]

Correct. A big bike would not be able to change directions quickly enough to carry 4th. But the line will allow max speed on any bike

[csmutty]

I'm having flashbacks of Paul telling me to gas it hard to make the flop in 12 on the tard during personal instruction hahaha.

[Paul_E_D]

That wheelie from the middle of the chicane to the wall was epic. I'll never forget that!