[bentbryan]

easy peasy lemon squeeezy

[The KING]

but where's the proof!

[hohum]

Joe, the president could tell you the sky is purple, and you'd believe him.



I wouldn't doubt that some weapons went over the border to Syria pre war. Duh, thats pretty obvious. Do I think its terribly likely that the Russians organized big convoys of weapons over the border given how much surveillance we likely had up above? Come on, doesn't pass the laugh test.

Just because something is plausible, doesn't mean that its probable.

[The KING]

Originally posted by hohum
Joe, the president could tell you the sky is purple, and you'd believe him.

Yeah, and you all concot your theories on half-assed research from 3rd parties....

[benVFR]

Hmm.. gee.

Pretty much every country in the world that goes to war is either fighting with weapons the Russians supplied, or weapons the US supplied.

We gave Saddam lots of weapons. Was saddam any more reputable when we were giving him weapons? I think not. Hindsight is 20/20 after all.

There is some interesting stuff in that article. Why would Saddam arrange to have his "most powerful and useful" weapons removed from the country, rather than using them to defend it?

[Karaya One]

Well, Saddam did pay in cash!

And cash is KING!

[bentbryan]

Originally posted by hohum
Do I think its terribly likely that the Russians organized big convoys of weapons over the border given how much surveillance we likely had up above? Come on, doesn't pass the laugh test.

You're dead wrong. We can't see everything, not even close. There's alot of border to cover.

[hohum]

Originally posted by bentbryan
You're dead wrong. We can't see everything, not even close. There's alot of border to cover.

Alot of border we were watching VERY VERY VERY closely during that time period, with special forces "supposedly" already on the ground on that border, satellites in the sky, hourly surveillance plane flyovers, etc. And, during the same time period the Russian special forces were moving Mack trucks full of explosives in and out?... Like I said, doesn't pass the laugh test.

[The KING]

sometimes it amazes me how linear y'all think....

seriously though, what if there was a high level agreement between the US and Putin (Putin=Russia ), whereas Putin made sure weapons got out of Iraq so we could walk in with guns blazing? NOTICE: Putin didn't agree with the invasion, BUT, did he actually DO anything about it?

Of course, no one here is remotely close to REAL information, so it's all conjecture anyway. One thing is certain though: rarely is any political move made without some sort of "shady" cost...

[hohum]

Originally posted by The KING
sometimes it amazes me how linear y'all think....

seriously though, what if there was a high level agreement between the US and Putin (Putin=Russia ), whereas Putin made sure weapons got out of Iraq so we could walk in with guns blazing? NOTICE: Putin didn't agree with the invasion, BUT, did he actually DO anything about it?

Of course, no one here is remotely close to REAL information, so it's all conjecture anyway. One thing is certain though: rarely is any political move made without some sort of "shady" cost...

Yeah, I'd be willing to concede a scenario like that COULD occur, but it WOULD require some covert shadiness that involved OUR government as well. I don't think Saddam and Putin could pull that one off alone.

[bentbryan]

Wow. What's your background in intelligence and satellite observation?

Anyway, David Kay doesn't agree with you. read this

"There is ample evidence of movement to Syria before the war -- satellite photographs, reports on the ground of a constant stream of trucks, cars, rail traffic across the border. We simply don't know what was moved," Kay said.

[The KING]

Originally posted by hohum
Yeah, I'd be willing to concede a scenario like that COULD occur, but it WOULD require some covert shadiness that involved OUR government as well. I don't think Saddam and Putin could pull that one off alone.

and I'm sure you don't think for a moment that our government has never been involved in any "covert shadiness"......

[hohum]

Originally posted by The KING
and I'm sure you don't think for a moment that our government has never been involved in any "covert shadiness"......

LOL, au contraire mon frere. I think our goverment has been involved in the shadiest of the shady of covert ops.

However, you gotta wonder if we were involved, and Bush is taking a serious political hit on it, why wouldn't he just say "Guess what, we took those weapons out of Iraq before the war so our troops couldn't get blasted". Yet, that isn't being said... This leads me to believe, or at least hints to me that something else entirely happened.

[The KING]

Originally posted by hohum
LOL, au contraire mon frere. I think our goverment has been involved in the shadiest of the shady of covert ops.

and if that's the case, how can any theory you come up with possibly be accurate?

[bentbryan]

Originally posted by bentbryan
Wow. What's your background in intelligence and satellite observation?

Anyway, David Kay doesn't agree with you. read this

Just wanted to make sure hohum saw this...

[bentbryan]

check this out

[hohum]

Originally posted by bentbryan
Just wanted to make sure hohum saw this...

I'd say since neither one of us has direct background in intelligence operations specifically, we are about "on par". (never mind my 2 years in a global politics phd program, and one entire side of my family who worked in intelligence/military special ops for a combined 45 years of experience... i'll still grant you that we likely have about an equal amount of direct knowledge specifically on intelligence)

So, as a result you all can take what bent says AND what I say about intelligence with a grain of salt.

[The KING]

Originally posted by hohum
So, as a result you all can take what bent says AND what I say about intelligence with a grain of salt.

[bentbryan]

Originally posted by hohum
I'd say since neither one of us has direct background in intelligence operations specifically, we are about "on par". (never mind my 2 years in a global politics phd program, and one entire side of my family who worked in intelligence/military special ops for a combined 45 years of experience... i'll still grant you that we likely have about an equal amount of direct knowledge specifically on intelligence)

So, as a result you all can take what bent says AND what I say about intelligence with a grain of salt.

I only made that statement because you said 'it doesn't pass the laugh test'. You immediately dismissed it. And I'm not saying that this (Russian scenario) is the only possibility, just merely chuckin' it out there...