[highsider]

Originally posted by hohum
Why should anyone strive to become informed? Hmmm, maybe because its better to know what you are talking about before forming an opinion/opening your mouth?

You are going to make one HELL of a lawyer.

[hohum]

Originally posted by TheIglu
Chemical happiness.

It makes people happy, just in an un-natural way.

You will never convince a pot smoker it is bad for society, and they will never convince us it is good for it. Just leave it be. You can't win.

See the argument isn't whether pot smoking itself is good for society of not (thats a very debatable issue), the REAL question is whether arresting and criminalizing pot smokers for no other reason than smoking pot is good for society. There is some real empirical evidence here that it is not.

Originally posted by hohum
Why should anyone strive to become informed? Hmmm, maybe because its better to know what you are talking about before forming an opinion/opening your mouth?

Ok, I'll open my mind for a second.


List the benefits of smoking pot, and why I should care?

[highsider]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
Ok, I'll open my mind for a second.


List the benefits of smoking pot, and why I should care?

Because you'd have something to do other than make up goofy names for this web site???

[hohum]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
Ok, so here, let me inform you about the potential issues regarding the life cycle of a liver fluke.... I have all sorts of data for you to review on how fluctuations on their life cycle can have an impact on chlorophyll levels in certain types of Rye greass....

Connect this to some issue at large in society, that has a demonstrable affect on the way a significant number of people live their life, and I am interested. (I also won't open my mouth with an opinion on regulation in regards to liver flukes until I understand the issue )

[bemused]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
Ok, I'll open my mind for a second.


List the benefits of smoking pot, and why I should care?

if it's an issue you really don't give a damn about...

...then why do you, repeatedly, insist on getting involved in discussions about it?

[TheIglu]

DING!

[hohum]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
Ok, I'll open my mind for a second.


List the benefits of smoking pot, and why I should care?

See my above post. Its NOT about the benefits of smoking pot, IT IS about the benefits to society of not prosecuting people simply for smoking pot.

Originally posted by hohum
Connect this to some issue at large in society, that has a demonstrable affect on the way a significant number of people live their life, and I am interested. (I also won't open my mouth with an opinion on regulation in regards to liver flukes until I understand the issue )

Nice try, although too bad it's YOUR OPINION.

"demonstrable" "significant number" impact on their lives thereof... c'mon, an opinion from YOUR side of the coin...

[hohum]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
Nice try, although too bad it's YOUR OPINION.

"demonstrable" "significant number" impact on their lives thereof... c'mon, an opinion from YOUR side of the coin...

Simple science Joe, statistics. Some real numbers. I advanced no opinion there other than "I don't know", and "Prove to me that its meaningful"

Originally posted by bemused
if it's an issue you really don't give a damn about...

...then why do you, repeatedly, insist on getting involved in discussions about it?

Here, I'll give you an honest answer too:


'Cause I want to see the arguments people will throw up against the wall. It's actually exciting to see some of the stuff people come up with.

Happy?

[bemused]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
Here, I'll give you an honest answer too:


'Cause I want to see the arguments people will throw up against the wall. It's actually exciting to see some of the stuff people come up with.

Happy?

ecstatic!

Originally posted by hohum
Simple science Joe, statistics. Some real numbers. I advanced no opinion there other than "I don't know", and "Prove to me that its meaningful"

so now what? the argument defaults to "meaningful" statistics and "accurate" interpretation thereof?

[bigred875]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
open mind eh...

damn right.... see I can educate myself then reevaluate my positions on things...

you should try it you might like it...hell you may even be a happier person for it

[hohum]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
so now what? the argument defaults to "meaningful" statistics and "accurate" interpretation thereof?

Yup, because its the closest we can get to an unbiased analysis. Is there some shade of qualitative argument when defining what is meaningful and what is not, and what is an accurate interpretation? Sure, but until we can discuss what statisitics are meaningful, and what the interpretations of those statistics might be without an off the cuff dismissal, we aren't even discussing anything.

Originally posted by bigred875
damn right.... see I can educate myself then reevaluate my positions on things...

Good for you!

Originally posted by hohum
Yup, because its the closest we can get to an unbiased analysis. Is there some shade of qualitative argument when defining what is meaningful and what is not, and what is an accurate interpretation? Sure, but until we can discuss what statisitics are meaningful, and what the interpretations of those statistics might be without an off the cuff dismissal, we aren't even discussing anything.

thank you for coming right back around to my original point.

Now Please list the benefits of smoking pot and why we should, in fact, dive into statistical matters.

[hohum]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
thank you for coming right back around to my original point.

Now Please list the benefits of smoking pot and why we should, in fact, dive into statistical matters.

Ahh, the circles we run in... I think this is the THIRD time I have said it, its not about the benefits of smoking pot, its about the benefits to society of not prosecuting pot smokers.

a) reduced cost on the court system (huge number of pot only cases in MA alone)
b) reduced cost to incarcerate people (some thousands and thousands of people in prison for nothing more than smoking pot)
c) ability to tax the product (likely be able to make as much money off of pot tax as off of alcohol tax)
d) ability to spend money on rehab instead of incarceration (incarceration has been shown to INCREASE recidivism rather than decrease it in the case of simple drug posession)

Just a few points that illustrate the benefit to society of not prosecuting pot smokers (REMEMBER ITS NOT ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF POT SMOKING ITS ABOUT THE BENEFITS TO THE REST OF US)

[Cam_In_IL]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
Ok, so here, let me inform you about the potential issues regarding the life cycle of a liver fluke.... I have all sorts of data for you to review on how fluctuations on their life cycle can have an impact on chlorophyll levels in certain types of Rye greass....

That's very cute to try and change the topic of conversation when you have no argument.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is an example of fhe fallacy of the Extended Analogy. This often occurs when some suggested general rule is being argued over. The fallacy is to assume that mentioning two different situations, in an argument about a general rule, constitutes a claim that those situations are analogous to each other.

Nice try, Squid.

[highsider]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid


Now Please list the benefits of smoking pot

The benefit of smoking pot is getting high.

I can understand not wanting to smoke, because I dont. But I hardly think that gives me the right to tell others that they cant. And furthermore, the number of tax dollars and law enforcement time wasted on chasing down marijuana users, (when marijuana is no worse than alcohol, which is legal), is time and money that could be directed towards anti terrorism.

THATS the point.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by Mr. E. Squid
thank you for coming right back around to my original point.

Now Please list the benefits of smoking pot and why we should, in fact, dive into statistical matters.

list to me the benifits of riding a motorcycle

drink alcohol

eating fast food

sky diving

bungee jumping

swimming in below freezing water(Polar bear Clubs)

God you arguements are SO weak and transparent they are moronic..you sound like a broken record...

Originally posted by hohum
Ahh, the circles we run in... I think this is the THIRD time I have said it, its not about the benefits of smoking pot, its about the benefits to society of not prosecuting pot smokers.

Yeah, 'cause you seem to THINK it's two separate and unrelated issues. They're not. Why should it's status change, or more appripriately, why should we even look INTO changing it's status if there's no "demonstrable" positive apsects?

a) reduced cost on the court system (huge number of pot only cases in MA alone)
b) reduced cost to incarcerate people (some thousands and thousands of people in prison for nothing more than smoking pot)
c) ability to tax the product (likely be able to make as much money off of pot tax as off of alcohol tax)
d) ability to spend money on rehab instead of incarceration (incarceration has been shown to INCREASE recidivism rather than decrease it in the case of simple drug posession)

You just put cost in front of individual social/health matters pal, real ethical....

[Cam_In_IL]

Give me a minute, Ryan. I'm gonna disect and refute every last one of his arguments. It's not like I have anything better to do. And I get no greater satisfaction than owning someone in their own argument!

[hohum]

Originally posted by Cam_In_RI
That's very cute to try and change the topic of conversation when you have no argument.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is an example of fhe fallacy of the Extended Analogy. This often occurs when some suggested general rule is being argued over. The fallacy is to assume that mentioning two different situations, in an argument about a general rule, constitutes a claim that those situations are analogous to each other.

Nice try, Squid.

mmm, logical fallacies...

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...dex.html#index

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BRING IT! BRING IT!