[SEVENSGT]

I posted about the benefit that I posted here and this is what I got.... Is it me or did I post it as an advertisment??? I want to reach out to as many people as possible, but hey I could be a fukker, right???

Benefit for Bridgett Dwyer Post

Hey man, I apologize to have to do this, but I removed your post about this until it can be reviewed. The site owner has asked the moderators to not allow any advertising, no matter what it is, unless he has reviewed it and approved it. I posted in the moderator forum to see if it was ok, but I would also suggest you contact Mike (username "sportbikes") also to see if advertisements like this are allowed. Any advertisements in the future need to be cleared by him prior to posting.

If you have any questions please ask myself or another moderator or admin.

Thanks,
spicersh

[bentbryan]

you ARE a fukker!

[highsider]

I think its time to fuck with them some more.

[bigred875]

what other site?

[SEVENSGT]

It is a post asking for money, therefore it is an advertisement for something. It doesn't matter who the money goes to. I truly am sorry about the situation, but this is not the place for things like this.

Perhaps I should have done some more research on you before hand. I had forgotten you were part of the group trying to grab free advertising for a trackday while offering, in essence, nothing in return to this site. Mike tells us to get rid of advertisements, but he actually singled out your event based on the e-mails he recieved from someone in your group.

If you all want to be contributing members of the site, we welcome you. If all you are going to do is cause problems, then I'll be the first to show you the door. The fact that we are talking at all means I'm giving you more of a chance than I do other spammers, they usually get banned after the first offense. This being the second, I think it goes without saying there won't be a third time.

[SEVENSGT]

I appreciate what you are trying to do for the family, but as a large site, we need to take the following into consideration:

- Is this an internet scam... yes people actually do this type of work, and the money never reaches the families.

- Is it proper to allow one family to ask for benefits, when thousands are afflicted with illnesses and poverty just here in the States. Doesn't this somehow tell the little girl down the street that she is less important?

I have been directly touched by members of my immediate family having Cancer, so please do not think I do not care. I can not only empathize, but sympathize for the family.

I trust you understand. If you have any questions or comments, my direct email is - mikes@sportbikes.com

Mike

[SEVENSGT]

It is a post asking for money, therefore it is an advertisement for something. It doesn't matter who the money goes to. I truly am sorry about the situation, but this is not the place for things like this.

Perhaps I should have done some more research on you before hand. I had forgotten you were part of the group trying to grab free advertising for a trackday while offering, in essence, nothing in return to this site. Mike tells us to get rid of advertisements, but he actually singled out your event based on the e-mails he recieved from someone in your group.

If you all want to be contributing members of the site, we welcome you. If all you are going to do is cause problems, then I'll be the first to show you the door. The fact that we are talking at all means I'm giving you more of a chance than I do other spammers, they usually get banned after the first offense. This being the second, I think it goes without saying there won't be a third time.

[SEVENSGT]

Originally posted by bigred875
what other site?

THIS ONE KAK

[Degsy]

subject: Comments regarding me online.


I was made aware of the following statement made by you:

"Perhaps I should have done some more research on you before hand. I had forgotten you were part of the group trying to grab free advertising for a trackday while offering, in essence, nothing in return to this site. Mike tells us to get rid of advertisements, but he actually singled out your event based on the e-mails he recieved from someone in your group."


I am the person organising the track day.
I have been in brief dialog with Mike from your site and things are very civil between us. I wish it to remain that way. You may say whatever you like to people that post an message that is unacceptable to you on your forum. However, please refrain from hearsay regarding my intent.

Contrary to the scuttlebug among you guys, I had no intention of grabbing free anything from your site. I asked my members to post around the internet to let people know that we are running a trackday this month at VIR. The posts were accepted everywhere online but at your site. After some discussion between the poster and your admin I was asked to offer something in return for the trackday "advertising". I offered a free trackday if 10 members from your site signed up. That was laughed at as an unrealistic offer and I forgot the whole thing. I then received a very nice message from Mike at your site and I sent him a reply a couple of days ago asking what would be a reasonable arrangement to him. I have not received a reply as yet on that question.

So, just to re-iterate. The trackday I am organising is far from a money-making event. Right now, I will be lucky if I only lose about $7k on it. I thought I would break even, but apparently not. I cannot offer cash up front just to simply post the event up in your trackday section. The way things were said to people who posted about the trackday was very overbearing. There was a "if you want to post here, you gotta pay" attitude. That doesn't sit well with anyone and that is why you got an angry bunch of posts from various people who are helping promote the trackday.

Now, you know the full story. I would therefore appreciate it if you didn't refer to me as someone who is "trying to grab free advertising for a trackday without offering, in essence, anything in return". Please check facts before speaking. That's part of a moderator's job.

Derek Sinclair

[highsider]

Greetings -

My name is Chris Bataille, I am a member of New England Street Riders, and I was banned from your site in the recent past as "Highsider1" and NEHighsider".

Allow me to set out, up front, that I am not writing to bust your balls; its your sandbox, your rules. I am simply asking you, as a fellow motorcyclist, to consider a few things that you seem to be missing.

You seem to have a rather absurd attitude towards what you expect your web site to be. I think we both know that there is a 0% chance of your web site creating any gainful income for you. I certainly dont begrudge someone in your position trying to make a few bucks; but if that is your goal, why would you try to make that money at the expense of fellow riders promoting not-for-profit events??? If someone were looking to sell products of some sort, post classifieds, etc., there would be a profit involved, and an advertiser would certainly have a right to ask for reasonable compensation. But a benefit for a little girl with cancer? Seriously???

I have always found, since I was 5 years old watching my father race around Breyer Motorsports Park in New Hampshire, that motorcyclists, and sport riders in particular, are a very tight-knit community. You are the first person I have met who seems to have no understanding of that fraternity, and who puts the almighty buck in front of everything else.

I really think you should consider asking your members what they think of your policies; I think you might be surprised by the result.

-Chris Bataille

[chr|s sedition]

I used to hang "over there" a lot. Then someone illuminated me to NESR. And dont even get me started on "Spirerish" or whatever his name is.

expatriot,
-sedition

[dhuze]

Originally posted by SEVENSGT
I posted about the benefit that I posted here and this is what I got.... Is it me or did I post it as an advertisment??? I want to reach out to as many people as possible, but hey I could be a fukker, right???

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Benefit for Bridgett Dwyer Post

Hey man, I apologize to have to do this, but I removed your post about this until it can be reviewed. The site owner has asked the moderators to not allow any advertising, no matter what it is, unless he has reviewed it and approved it. I posted in the moderator forum to see if it was ok, but I would also suggest you contact Mike (username "sportbikes") also to see if advertisements like this are allowed. Any advertisements in the future need to be cleared by him prior to posting.

If you have any questions please ask myself or another moderator or admin.

Thanks,
spicersh



How about a reply to him? How about? FUCK YOU , DONKEY FUCKER!! SHOVE YOUR SITE UP YOUR ASS!!!


but only if you want to be nice about it

[SEVENSGT]

my reply to mike's email

Mike, if you had the chance to look at the post I included the companies that are sponsoring it, and if needed I would include contact info including telephone and names of those involved. I put it out there because anyone afflicted with this or any other disease deserves any and all help possible. I have had friends that have been sick, and I have helped those that I didn't know when asked, does that make me different then anyone else, no. I also donate as much as I can to all types of charities, and believe me I am far for being wealthy. It comes down to individuals and how they feel about the situation, some would help (I say most), and some would not want to. If people don't have the chance to give then that takes away from the end product, helping follow man. In the end I am sorry that you will not let me post up.

May God save your soul,

Dustin Rhodes
sevensgt@msn.com

[beet]

doing good ?
after his ansers tell him 2 stick his site up his ass
good things won't hurt him

[Degsy]

Guys, please make sure that in all your posts you represent NESR in a professional manner, as you have done. Thanks.

...and Beet, their site IS the biggest motorcycle forum in the world, by far.

derek

[beet]

no( beet) member
& ive been there never impressed
i found that site way b-foe yours never joined .
bigger not better .
p.s. i'm only a asshole when i can b i know when 2 keep my mouth shut & most of the time i'm joking

[highsider]

>For the record... keeping it short and sweet....
> - I never asked to profit from the advertising - I asked to swap
>promotions... give-a-way a FREE day to a MEMBER. Not for me or my helpers,
>but a random winner, as I have done for YEARS! Instead I was giving the
>opportunity to promote and only benefit if 10 members joined... who is
>taking advantage of whom??
>
> - As for the girl... I stated my reasons. I have a site in development now
>www.bikersforlife.com, for this same reason. But it has no place on a main
>stream site. Why should I hold one persons needs higher than another's??
>Just 'cause a person touched you?? If all can't come and ask, then none
>should be allowed.
>
>Simple... I don't want anything from bikers... I give back simply by
>providing a place - the most active place - for sportbikers.
>
>And, thank you for remembering that it is I who ffots the bills every month
>in excess of $800. to keep this site running! Want to help biker... send
>some money toward the site.
>
>
>Regards,
>
> Mike DiSabatino, CEO
> www.SportbikeS.com
>The #1 Sport Riding Supersite
>***********************************
>(v) 1-888-8.DR.BIKE - Toll Free
> 1-888-837-2453
>(f) 1-805-435-7498
>(e) Mike@SportbikeS.com
>(c) 1-805-377-9069
>**********************************
> Home of the
>Sportbike Riders' Association, Inc.
>***********************************
>

Mike -

Thank you for your response.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no reason at all that hosting a web forum should cost you $800, particularly in light of the fact that you have advertisers flashing all over the place. According to the owners of NESR, it costs less than $50 month to run their site - what are you doing differently?

And, quite frankly, I think we both know that is a line of BS - no one in their right mind (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in that department) would loose $800 a month to have a web forum.

What you do with a free track day given for advertising is your business; its still profit. While you choose to give it away, it holds value and can be sold.

Its obvious I'm not going to change any of your opinions, so I wont waste any more of either of our time. As you know, karma looms large with motorcyclists, and we all reap what we sow.

-Chris

Degs - I wont bother to communicate with this fellow anymore, I apologize if I overstepped at all.

[zombie]

a different point of view

There are a huge amount of scams out there and the mod is just doing his job and his first reply to you was pretty fair IMO.
It's their site so their rules. Dustin they don't know you from adam and are just protecting their interests.
I know you posted a bridget dwyer benefit but I know nothing about the woman or what happened . So while this is obviously something you care deeply about and good on you for being active in helping out the family, the guys at that other site are just doing their job.
Like Derek says his dialouge has been civil so we should do the same because at the end of the day it's their sandbox and ball e.t.c. and they can do what they wish with it and it doesn't help the on-line sportbike community to have a pissing contest between different sites

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
Degs - I wont bother to communicate with this fellow anymore, I apologize if I overstepped at all.

If they ARE the biggest whatever...their site would require more bandwith..thus more gear..and raise the cost of the site.... So while it MAY cost $800 a month to run that site....I would agree with you that it is not coming out of his pocket but out of the advertiser's pockets...

[highsider]

Originally posted by bigred875
If they ARE the biggest whatever...their site would require more bandwith..thus more gear..and raise the cost of the site.... So while it MAY cost $800 a month to run that site....I would agree with you that it is not coming out of his pocket but out of the advertiser's pockets...

That was my point....if that guy is paying $800 of his own money out of his pocket to be king of his little corner of the internet, he's even more of a megalomaniac that I had previously thought.

Personally, I believe he is full of shit.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
That was my point....if that guy is paying $800 of his own money out of his pocket to be king of his little corner of the internet, he's even more of a megalomaniac that I had previously thought.

Personally, I believe he is full of shit.

werd..either way he is a paraniod prick... 2minutes of research and a couple phone calls would have taken care of it...I'm sure there are leg humpers over there that would love a little job like that to do...

and on what he said about everyone advertizing about a "fund"...what's the fucking problem...let them..

People take themselves way to fucking seriously...hey dip shit...you run a mesage board....get over yourself

[SEVENSGT]

Originally posted by zombie
a different point of view

There are a huge amount of scams out there and the mod is just doing his job and his first reply to you was pretty fair IMO.
It's their site so their rules. Dustin they don't know you from adam and are just protecting their interests.
I know you posted a bridget dwyer benefit but I know nothing about the woman or what happened . So while this is obviously something you care deeply about and good on you for being active in helping out the family, the guys at that other site are just doing their job.
Like Derek says his dialouge has been civil so we should do the same because at the end of the day it's their sandbox and ball e.t.c. and they can do what they wish with it and it doesn't help the on-line sportbike community to have a pissing contest between different sites

Mick you are right and I'm not disputing his not wanting to post it up, what I am disputing is one of his mods said it was an advertisment, while he called it a possible scam, and if one can't do it then none can... I wanted to be sure which answer was truth, in the post on this site I put the names of the companies that are sponsering the event so if any questions sprung up I could direct them to those companies. Again I posted it up, and Jay and Degs were nice enough to make it important, but it still is up to the individual if they want to be part of the event, and I do have to say that quite a few members here have stepped upto help out......


dustin

[Degsy]

Reply from spicersh



He started out with a laughing smiley, then this:

<<As Mike mentioned to you, offering us a free trackday if, and only if, 10 people sign up is a completely unrealistic offer. We have no control over whether our members will participate or not, but you undoubtedly know this. So you most certainly were offering nothing in return to this site. Payment based on results is not how advertising works. You pay the money (or whatever form of payment is agreed upon) and you incur that cost regardless of whether your advertisement generates the results you want. I'm not relying on heresay, I saw it all with my own two eyes. You wanted something for basically nothing, we said no. There is no animosity in it, it's simply business. I haven't given a second thought to the matter since your members finally stopped spamming our site.

While I'm sorry that you will probably end up losing money in this deal, that is, to put it bluntly, not my (or this site's) problem. Mike is running a business, and I've not seen any business just give anything away. There is no free lunch. This is not a "if you want to post here, you gotta pay" type of place, as I have well over 4000 posts and have never paid a dime. What we said was, "if you want to advertise here, you gotta pay." There is a huge difference.

As far as not hearing from Mike yet, he is very busy during tax season, so I wouldn't expect a reply right away. He may be easier to get ahold of on www.sportbikes.com which is our sister site.

I still think you are someone trying to grab free advertising. If that offends you then that is on you, I simply call them like I see them. If you want me to not view you in that manner, then pay for the advertising, plain and simple.>>

[Degsy]

Guys,

Please feel free to sic 'em.

Spam the fuck out of them.

Thanks

derek

[highsider]

Originally posted by Degsy
Guys,

Please feel free to sic 'em.

Spam the fuck out of them.

Thanks

derek

Do you mean it? Really?