[bentbryan]

Originally posted by TheIglu
Alright alright, you guys go buy growlers, I will fill them up with whatever I have on tap once a week. Fair enough?

[SEVENSGT]

here's my take



If she cannot eat normally, if her frontal lobes are spinal fluid, if her husband wants her to RIP then so be it. I am pissed about the sunday bill, but my understanding was this as just a push to have a fed judge review the case and make a final decision. I know that it is alot more complicated then that, but that's what it breaks down to.



Oh and Bush signed the Texas law as a half way point, again my perspective

[zombie]

Originally posted by richw

The one thing this does and should do is have everyone especially MOtorcyclists get a living will and be specific about when to pull the plug or tube.
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I got a living will as I don't wish to live like a piece of broccoli and I want the lights turned out and everyone to go home...
There is very little dignity in death left in the world these days.
I just finished painting in a retirement home and some of the carcasses that are still breathing are the living dead and it seems they are being kept alive to suck up social security payments or some such shit as they would be better off dead and the condition that some of these bodies are in is pretty fucked up, all sorts of tubes and crap and old people just waiting to die, pretty fucking grim.
Looking at some of the old codgers I couldn't help think that they would wish to just die and move on as there is a certain dignity in that but being kept alive for months on end without being aware of your surroundings and drolling all over is very sad.
Not sure what the answer is but I don't want to be kept alive if'n my mind is not there.
As far as schivo's husbavd he never actually married the woman he is with right now , Let her die and move on

[richw]

Both my favorite aunt and my wifes grandmother died of Alzheimers and were out of it for years and vegeies for 3 more.

It just ain't right

[xvrider]

Ok, so hopefully something good will come out of al lthis.More people will be aware of living wills and DPOA and DNR paperwork. I work with people that are as bad as Terri or worse all the time. ANd alot of families just don't want to let go. Yes I have even seen aome people that are vegatables after motorcycle accidents. He wasn't wearing a helmet...But thats another post all together. We have no problem with helping animals to die without suffering but we can't do the same for people. I think it is sickand wrong..And I have given my life to helping people but there is an end point when you need to let go. Ok now I'm off my soap box...I feel better..I never post on the CT but I feel kinda strongly abou this one...

[odduc]

Why is Bush involving himself at all? I dont understand.

Agreed. I haven't read through the entire thread, but I am thinking the same way as you on this one, Chris. Anyway, I don't think the government has any business getting involved. This is a personal family matter and I also can't understand why it is getting so much national attention.

[Nikon]

[benVFR]

Interesting factoids I read this morning that had not been covered on TV, etc..

The $$ for medical care for Terri came from two malpractice suits that were won by her Husband in the early 90s. They totalled about $1 million dollars and the money went directly into a trust to pay for her care.

There have been accusations by the parents that Mr. Schiavo was adulterous, there have also been (less publicized IMO) accusations that some of this ordeal started because the parents were trying to win a share of the malpractice money.

I saw this mentioned but not really carefully explained, much of her brain is literally gone if they show you a CT scan. When the tissue dies the body actually removes the cells, she's got a big hollow that covers most of her brain, that is just filled with fluid. So that is why any claims she could possibly recover are considered ridiculous by the doctors.

Finally I saw some stat that ~80% of democratic citizens and 70% of Republican citizens do not approve of the federal government trying to get involved in this case.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by benVFR
Interesting factoids I read this morning that had not been covered on TV, etc..

The $$ for medical care for Terri came from two malpractice suits that were won by her Husband in the early 90s. They totalled about $1 million dollars and the money went directly into a trust to pay for her care.

There have been accusations by the parents that Mr. Schiavo was adulterous, there have also been (less publicized IMO) accusations that some of this ordeal started because the parents were trying to win a share of the malpractice money.

I saw this mentioned but not really carefully explained, much of her brain is literally gone if they show you a CT scan. When the tissue dies the body actually removes the cells, she's got a big hollow that covers most of her brain, that is just filled with fluid. So that is why any claims she could possibly recover are considered ridiculous by the doctors.

Finally I saw some stat that ~80% of democratic citizens and 70% of Republican citizens do not approve of the federal government trying to get involved in this case.

werd...just to add a bit...once those law suits were settled all federal health care for her was halted....so those that think Mr Shiavo is in it for the money needs to take a good look at what is going on....he aint got none...and has been offered plenty..

[odduc]

Very good points, Ben. All very valid. For once, we agree.....

[cyberxen]

I saw this mentioned but not really carefully explained, much of her brain is literally gone if they show you a CT scan. When the tissue dies the body actually removes the cells, she's got a big hollow that covers most of her brain, that is just filled with fluid. So that is why any claims she could possibly recover are considered ridiculous by the doctors.

It's the 2mm thick cerebral cortex on the outside layers of the brain that matters insofar as higher functions are concerned. Large portions of the human brain can be removed with no ill effects. Brain plasticity is pretty amazing.

[TheIglu]

Originally posted by cyberxen
It's the 2mm thick cerebral cortex on the outside layers of the brain that matters insofar as higher functions are concerned. Large portions of the human brain can be removed with no ill effects. Brain plasticity is pretty amazing.

This feat of brain functionality is illustrated in society. They call these people who seem to live and function somewhat normally "Republicans".


She was a fox when she was younger.

I find it hard to believe that anyone blames him for trying to get a new woman after Terri bit it. After a few years, I'd move on too.

[sahd03]

I haven't followed the case. For no particular reason other than I generally felt it was too peeking-Tom-ish to follow it. The woman has finally passed, although slowly. I hope for her sake tha she's one of coma sufferers who honestly has no clue what's going on... becuase if she knew the deal and was unable to communicate, it must've been like living in hell through all this.

One good thing for me is that the gross attention to this case by the freaking media has spurred me to not only create a living will for myself and family, but i have also made my "death or dying" wishes known to every single one of my family members so that this would never happen to me.

[jjs777]

the good thing is - it frees up a bed at the hospice for perhaps someone that can use it

15 years she was in that vegetable state - come on people - what was all the fuss about ?

[MissTwisties]

I spoke to my husband about this. He said you cannot only write a letter and sign it without going in front of a notary, or it won't be worth shit in court if the family argue over it. IS that true? How about a home made movie? I don't know the laws about this. It's true that if you think about it, anybody can write a letter and copy your signature if they have an original of your signature somewhere, and then say that you wrote this letter.

Originally posted by sahd03
I haven't followed the case. For no particular reason other than I generally felt it was too peeking-Tom-ish to follow it. The woman has finally passed, although slowly. I hope for her sake tha she's one of coma sufferers who honestly has no clue what's going on... becuase if she knew the deal and was unable to communicate, it must've been like living in hell through all this.

One good thing for me is that the gross attention to this case by the freaking media has spurred me to not only create a living will for myself and family, but i have also made my "death or dying" wishes known to every single one of my family members so that this would never happen to me.

[jjs777]

I was watching a interview with a Attorney - they recommened - get this - no less than 5 copis of video tapes of a living will etc

family members
helath care provider
attorney

And you need a written document as well to accompany all that. My question is what the heck is my health care provider gonna do with my video tape ?