[benVFR]

Randy you should sign up for some classes there.

Then you can change your name to RamboRandyO.

All you need is a headband and a mullet.

[ssg]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
How about a straight percentage, like they do with precipitation? "Looks like the CIA is predicting a 30% chance of terrorism in my area today, guess I'd better pack a gas mask". We could go all out, put a terrorman on the evening news who will point to a map with pictures of mushroom clouds and subway explosions and such, then bitch at him from our couch when he's wrong about pending terrorist attacks.

My thoughts exactly, but every few weeks we'd have to lynch the terrorman just for the repression he has caused us, then we get a new one.

[RandyO]

Re: another article

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Originally posted by RandyO
"We want to support the people who are protecting us and help to prevent another 9/11 or worse," Gifford said.

Originally posted by ChrisNoF4i
I can't believe that ass-bag actually said that. He is one pathetic automaton.

I didn't attend the meeting, but I did watch it on local access tv,
when he started his presentation, he was in command of the meeting, presenting in a very military briefing style. but things quickly changed as one of the planning board members that is retired military himself started questions, until that member started his questions, I don't think the rest of the board members realized the magnitude of the project.

[Stoneman]

From what I've read about this, it's nothing short of a Club Motorsports for mercenaries. Plain & simple...

I'd be concerned about how some ex-Navy SEAL with combat trauma reacts to some brush-up training excercise while running around in your back yard with a mini-missile launcher...

[Stoneman]

Then again, Randy. I mean, c'mon. I think we all know that somehow you're involved with this para-military faction. WOLVERINES!!!

[bentbryan]

WOLVERINES!!!!!

[RandyO]

Originally posted by bentbryan
WOLVERINES!!!!!

that was just on TV a few days ago

another fosters article , local cops want the facility

[rjh200]

I would be all for it, with the stipulation that I get to use the range also

[RandyO]

Big Public Hearing tonite

not having the meeting in our regular hearing room, several hundred residents are expected to show up, so we moved the meeting to our high school auditorium.

[RandyO]

Special Exception DENIED

now we have to see if the mercinaries appeal

[cbrf41999]

Originally posted by RandyO
Special Exception DENIED

now we have to see if the mercinaries appeal

Agree or disagree with the project, I am sure they will. They probably have alot of time and money invested in this location already, so whats the little more money and time involved with exhausting the appeal process.

[RandyO]

Originally posted by cbrf41999
Agree or disagree with the project, I am sure they will. They probably have alot of time and money invested in this location already, so whats the little more money and time involved with exhausting the appeal process.

actually, no, they haven't spent a lot of time & money. they have purchased the property 6 months ago, the biggest reason they were denied and not continued for further consideration was that they were the most unprepared presentation I have ever seen

all they had were generic sketches of a layout with no consideration of drainage, wetlands, offsite road improvements etc.

had they actually done a bit of site specific mapping and preliminary civil design, they would have showed they had the potential to meet the zoning requirements

basicly their presentation was flag waiving and homeleand security training is necessary and the public benifit would outweigh any "minor" inconveniences for the local residents

they had no opinions from anybody that their proposal would not negatively affect property values

Residents in opposition to the project were much more prepared, and all their work started at the same time I originally posted this thread

[cbrf41999]

I am surprised to hear they were so unprepared, usually you have attorneys handle this stuff. Well good for you and the other locals who didnt care for the whole project.

[RandyO]

Originally posted by cbrf41999
I am surprised to hear they were so unprepared, usually you have attorneys handle this stuff. Well good for you and the other locals who didnt care for the whole project.

they did have an attorney, but he was someone I had never seen before, I don't think he was experienced in land use law

[sahd03]

Well, if they meet the zoning regs, none of the reviewing Boards can just deny it becuase they don't want it - i.e. there is no room for random emotions in the process. Does it conform with the Town Plan? Sure, the zoning isn't right, but zoning modifications and waivers are granted left and right. And really, are you going to ever find the amount of land needed for this use within a commercially zoned district? The answer there is no.

Whether you are for or against, how can the Town be sure that bringing in a facility of this nature isn't going to cater to chronic bad boys and law-breakers? Is the company stipulating or able to stipulate that all trainees are part of Local, State or Federal protection forces? Are these guys going to be able to be a private, high end training unit for anyone with the cash? In that case, what kind of rif-raff and seriously evil people are going to be entering the town? Sure, while their training, they are wihtin the confines of a highly secure facility (I hope).... but what about getting there and leaving? They have to go through town, past the school, past the kids playing? If these trainees are official forces, that concern is maybe not so big. If they are private citizens of unknown background, that's a huge concern. What are their security measures for ensuring that training equipment and geat does not migrate off-property and into the community? What are their security measures and background checks? What happens to the facility and equipment if these guys fold? Where does it go? How can they ensure a "homeland security" facility and not a "bad boys get badder" facility - and I'm not referring to local bad boys, I'm referring to seriously evil people with the funds and evil streaks to use the education for the worst. Who is going to act as big brother to these guys and make sure their private facility is NOT catering to evil with the mask of security? And IF there is a big brother, is there someone in the town qualified? Does a facility like this have to have a Federal oversight and meet federally mandated regulations or standards?

Homeland security is a great idea and I personally support the concept of the training camp. If it's properly sited and meets the regs and is properly monitored, it's a great idea. There are certainly some issues with a facility of this nature and the general "not in my backyard" attitude that is likely to be present. But if it's done right and security is maximum and numerous redundancies are in place to protect the townspeople and town resources, then why not? Certainly, there are more questions than answers, and I'm not even sure where the security issues fall - ZBA? PB? Who? There are many many questions to ask and work through, but if everyone on Board is willing to do so, why not have it?

[RandyO]

they made their application on emotion and on the concept that everyone should "sacrifice" for homeland security and did not attempt to address the requirements outlined in our zoning

1. no hazard shall be created to the public or adjacent property on account of potential fire, explosion or release of toxic chemicals

2. no detriment to property values shall be created in the vicinity or change the essential characteristics of any area incluting residential neighborhoods or business or industrial districts on account of the location or scale of buildings and other structures, parking areas, accessways, odor, smoke, gas, dust, or other pollutant, noise, glare, heat, vibration or unsightly outdoor stooorage of equipmet or other materials

3 no traffic hazard or substantial increase in the leverl of traffic congestion shall be created

4 no excessive demands on municipal services, including but not limited to water, sewer, waste disposal, police, fire protection and schools

5 no significant increase in stormwater runoff onto adjacent property or streets shall be created.

[Nikon]

what happened with this Randy? Still up in the air? Been shot down?

You should approve with the condition that they allow me and Dan (DHuze) to come and play at our wish.

[RandyO]

it was turned town, they files for an appeal, the appeal was denied, haven't heard if their going to try more by filing a lawsuit in court....

I doubt they will get anywhere, they were the most unprepared applicants I have ever seen at the ZBA, instead of addressing the points of law required to get their approval, they proposed that everybody should be willing to sacrifice for national security

[benVFR]

Sounds more like their approach was, "Everyone should sacrifice so we can make some $$"

[hessogood]

stupid buzzwords.....

[RandyO]

I got a call last night from the chairman of the conservation commission in Groton , apparently NATCLLC is looking at an 1100 acre parcel in that town.

this proposal hits us here a little closer, if it goes forward it could significantly impact traffic on Halls Brook Road