[highsider]

Originally posted by WildBill
Thank you, I will use this everytime from now on, what a great answer. Lets give it a try

" I don't give a fuck if they are all true, Clinton lied "

yep, works for me thanks again highsider

Typical Republic spin. Go Bill!

[highsider]

Originally posted by WildBill
Less we forget Bosnia, but that was different right highsider?

Yeah, compare Bosnia and Iraq are pretty similar.

Oh wait, no they aren't.

[Hardcore]

WildBill has good points---can't you hippie liberal douchebag democrats just wake up + accept it!

[OreoGitorio]

there are two kinds of people.... those that support our government whether or not they skrew up because in the end, it's the reason we're all as well off as we are... and those that piss, bitch and moan no matter WHAT the hell happens just cuz they're whiney bitches that blame every friggin thing they can on someone else, so why not blame the government, right? I mean, they don't know crap and suck no matter what they do. Our President is the sole reason why bad things happen to good people and good meat goes bad when left on the counter.

Whiney bitches are why stay out of political discussions. They're the biggest ulcer in the country. I applaud Jon Stewart for making the comments he did in that interview on Crossfire.

[Hardcore]

Originally posted by OreoGaborio
there are two kinds of people.... those that support our government whether or not they skrew up because in the end, it's the reason we're all as well off as we are... and those that piss, bitch and moan no matter WHAT the hell happens just cuz they're whiney bitches that blame every friggin thing they can on someone else, so why not blame the government, right? I mean, they don't know crap and suck no matter what they do. Our President is the sole reason why bad things happen to good people and good meat goes bad when left on the counter.

Whiney bitches are why stay out of political discussions. They're the biggest ulcer in the country. I applaud Jon Stewart for making the comments he did in that interview on Crossfire.

FINALLY---------------YOU SAID SOMETHING INTELLIGENT!!!

[OreoGitorio]

Seriously... doesn't matter which "wing" you are... right or left, you're a crazy bastard that only hurts the country as a whole by criticizing everything you can about the other party. The negativity is 100% counterproductive.

Anyone that wants to say to me "Ignorance is bliss, eh, Pete?" Go right ahead & say it... Cuz i'd rather be "ignorant" than listen to some guy on TV piss & moan about anything he can think of. Stop being a little girl & look to change the future, not bitch about the past.

[highsider]

Originally posted by hardcore
WildBill has good points---can't you hippie liberal douchebag democrats just wake up + accept it!

I am definitely not a hippie, and I know I'm not a Democrat.

"Liberal" and "Douchebag" may apply, depending on whom your asking.

But "whiney (sic) little bitch" I am not. I am simply not interested in the neverending line of BS that spews from right wing people who cannot face the blatant, irrevocable fact that we went to Iraq on the premise of these imaginary WMD's, fresh off the sting from 9/11 which had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, and now we have 2,000 dead American soldiers and countless dead Iraqis, all of which turned out to be a fucking wild goose chase.

This isn't an argument about whose sports team is better. It isn't even a political argument anymore. Its people defending a man who made shit up (or, at the least, had shitty evidence that no other country in the world believed) to go to war over a decades old pissing match, and who now wears the blood of 2,000 American soldiers and countless Iraqi citizens. We watch it on the news, and quarrel over the internet about it, and it doesn't change the fact that we went to Iraq looking for weapons that weren't there, and that scumbag Bush hasn't even bothered to apologize for his mistakes to the families of 2,000 soldiers. Instead, he goofs off and pretends to look for WMDs under his podium.

If you want to name call, go ahead. Have at it. I think I'll just keep my head in reality and pray that we declare victory already and bring home the troops who are still alive, and who haven't been lost to GW's "War on a Verb."

[highsider]

Originally posted by OreoGaborio
Stop being a little girl & look to change the future, not bitch about the past.

Sure Pete. Just tell that to the family that lives up the road from me who lost their son. He was 19.

Oh wait, he doesn't have a future.

Anybody seen any WMDs?

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by highsider
I am definitely not a hippie, and I know I'm not a Democrat.

"Liberal" and "Douchebag" may apply, depending on whom your asking.

But "whiney (sic) little bitch" I am not. I am simply not interested in the neverending line of BS that spews from right wing people who cannot face the blatant, irrevocable fact that we went to Iraq on the premise of these imaginary WMD's, fresh off the sting from 9/11 which had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, and now we have 2,000 dead American soldiers and countless dead Iraqis, all of which turned out to be a fucking wild goose chase.

This isn't an argument about whose sports team is better. It isn't even a political argument anymore. Its people defending a man who made shit up (or, at the least, had shitty evidence that no other country in the world believed) to go to war over a decades old pissing match, and who now wears the blood of 2,000 American soldiers and countless Iraqi citizens. We watch it on the news, and quarrel over the internet about it, and it doesn't change the fact that we went to Iraq looking for weapons that weren't there, and that scumbag Bush hasn't even bothered to apologize for his mistakes to the families of 2,000 soldiers. Instead, he goofs off and pretends to look for WMDs under his podium.

If you want to name call, go ahead. Have at it. I think I'll just keep my head in reality and pray that we declare victory already and bring home the troops who are still alive, and who haven't been lost to GW's "War on a Verb."

I *heart* when Highsider gets "ethnic".

great post.

-sedition

[Hardcore]

Dude---who really gives a fuck about WMD's--we all know why we're in that shithole country + the fact we have to be because the rest of the world govs are either too week or too much pussies to oust mass murderers from power and try to bring peace to the entire world!
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE + PEACE IS NOT ACCOMPLISHED PEACEFULLY!!!
As for the soldiers---it is tragic any American Soldier has to lose his life!!! but let's not forget-there is no draft! Every soldier has joined the military of his/her free will knowing the possible outcome, + many of those soldiers are PROUD to give their lives for the USA!
although I grieve for all injured or killed American soldiers--I honor + respect the sacrifices they make---for all of us!!!
GOD BLESS THEM ALL!!!

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by hardcore
Dude---who really gives a fuck about WMD's--we all know why we're in that shithole country + the fact we have to be because the rest of the world govs are either too week or too much pussies to oust mass murderers from power and try to bring peace to the entire world!

wall. head. hit. repeat.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
I am definitely not a hippie, and I know I'm not a Democrat.

"Liberal" and "Douchebag" may apply, depending on whom your asking.

But "whiney (sic) little bitch" I am not. I am simply not interested in the neverending line of BS that spews from right wing people who cannot face the blatant, irrevocable fact that we went to Iraq on the premise of these imaginary WMD's, fresh off the sting from 9/11 which had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, and now we have 2,000 dead American soldiers and countless dead Iraqis, all of which turned out to be a fucking wild goose chase.

This isn't an argument about whose sports team is better. It isn't even a political argument anymore. Its people defending a man who made shit up (or, at the least, had shitty evidence that no other country in the world believed) to go to war over a decades old pissing match, and who now wears the blood of 2,000 American soldiers and countless Iraqi citizens. We watch it on the news, and quarrel over the internet about it, and it doesn't change the fact that we went to Iraq looking for weapons that weren't there, and that scumbag Bush hasn't even bothered to apologize for his mistakes to the families of 2,000 soldiers. Instead, he goofs off and pretends to look for WMDs under his podium.

If you want to name call, go ahead. Have at it. I think I'll just keep my head in reality and pray that we declare victory already and bring home the troops who are still alive, and who haven't been lost to GW's "War on a Verb."

and i am so fucking sick of you whiney liberal douchbags that refuse to look at the big picture...and the big fucking plan...and take all side into account..

seems to me we went round and round on this when you first got on here and after me educating you you saw my side and agreed...then got a full dose of the lefty talking point and now dribbleing this crap again....


the fucking reality of it is that while there is no connection to 9/11 and saddam there is no doubt a conntection between saddam and his support for terrist cells.. there is no doubting that....when you say..we all knwo sadam wa a bad guy but.... BUT fucking nothing ...BUT he supported terroists by giving them a place to stay...by training them......with money.. at the time he was the worlds most powerful terrorist because he was a terrorist with a country.... and throwing it in our faces for the past 12 years....

and this is what we know for sure....never mind the mis-intelligence we got...for our sources......form British sources...from Russian sources....


then you have all the people in this country pushing the war on top of that....whether BUsh wanted to go in our not is a side issue...no doubt he wanted to get rid of him... who the fuck wouldnt unless you were getting money from him...hhmm...like maybe france and russian?... So you have the vast majority of congress and the american people wanting action....you have this information infront of you and you make a decision to fight this war someplace other then times square....at the time of the attack Al-Qeda was neutralized and OBL was powerless...you libs putting so much emphasis on a figure head like OBL only makes him more of a myrtre(sp?) SO the next step in the WAR ON TERROR would be the next most powerful terrorist.... Dont give me shit about his one and that one because those situations are being handled with out force...but every situation is differnent and force seemed to be the only option here.. deal with it....and look at the big picture... He is sacrificing soldiers for citizens....as morbid as it sounds thats what the goddamn military is for.....

and now because it is election time and the Dems have lost control of everything including their own party they are pulling every partisan trick they can to gain some control and dignity......and the hot button issue is the war... so they harp on that... I am not saying that is a bad thing...because it keeps the issue in front of us and we do need to get this thing buttoned up soon....but again look at the big picture...a lot has happened since it all started...

This thing has been fucked up since the get go and things have gone wrong....but it is working....

Iraqis the left under saddam are coming back in record numbers....why? because they see hope in there country..why dont you gove a little credit where credit is do...

http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?R...ctCountry=IRAQ

http://www.axisofevildoers.org/cache...709450451.html

i could find more sources if I felt like doing your homework for you...but i dont.....


all you lib's that want an apology and OBL in a jail somewhere....what's the plan after that...

if you dont want a war on a verb then what is your action paln? to do nithing per usualu right...live in fear and hope nothing happens... hell the reps may not have it totally right...but atleast they are doing something....offering an idea..all you guys do is finger point and criticize every move the administration makes...

[highsider]

So now we're name calling? Wow, Ryan, impressive.

You are entirely missing my point with that long winded redneck rally cry.

We went to war looking for weapons. They weren't there. Instead of saying, "Hey, I fucked up", our President made retarded jokes, and decided that the war was all about "liberating Iraq" and "fighting terrorists". And now people are dying.

You can puke out drivel about "the big picture" and "Saddam was a bad guy anyway" all day long, and that doesn't change the fact that we went to war for something that wasn't there. Are some good things going to come from it? Yes. But, we were not even close to exhausting other options that would have left less death and destruction in their path.

I'm not even touching the part about Osama being a "figurehead". You saying that makes you look more ridiculous than anyone else could arguing the point with you.

[neuthunder]

not that I like to see the death of americans or enjoy the fact that there's a war, but c'mon, we're doing pretty good with only 2000 dead. not that I want to rationalize the deaths of american soldiers but at almost 4 years into a war we're doing a pretty damn good job of not dying. 4 years into vietnam there was 60,000 dead. Did we go to war for the wrong reasons, yes, but we're there now and cant leave, so lets support the troops and their leader in fighting terrorism and freeing the iraqi's..... and no I dont like bush, dont like the idea of supporting him, but he's in charge of this country and 150,000 troops in a war zone so we have to at least try and back him.

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by highsider
So now we're name calling? Wow, Ryan, impressive.

Chris, friggin relax, would you? using the whole "oh, you called me a dirty word" card is so pre-school.

Originally posted by highsider
We went to war looking for weapons. They weren't there. Instead of saying, "Hey, I fucked up", our President made retarded jokes, and decided that the war was all about "liberating Iraq" and "fighting terrorists". And now people are dying.

You can puke out drivel about "the big picture" and "Saddam was a bad guy anyway" all day long, and that doesn't change the fact that we went to war for something that wasn't there. Are some good things going to come from it? Yes. But, we were not even close to exhausting other options that would have left less death and destruction in their path.

I'm not even touching the part about Osama being a "figurehead". You saying that makes you look more ridiculous than anyone else could arguing the point with you.

First paragraph: You're absolutely right, the government picked wmd's as the #1 reason & we didn't find any... well, there were plenty of other reasons why we went there, too. You listed a couple. Say you're in a bar & some dude is being a complete jackass, makin comments to you, bein a prick, etc etc etc. He does that one thing that pushes you over the line & you knock him out... why'd you do it? was there just one reason? I'm sure there's plenty of reasons and side-benifits for punchin his lights out, same goes for the War. There's NEVER just ONE reason to go to war. It's way too big of a decision to justify it by one reason. HOWEVER... you do need that "he crossed the line" point... Saddam bluffed, we called it hoping we'd hit the jackpot, but alas, no WMD's... well, that's alright, cuz there were plenty of other reasons why we shoulda punched his lights out anyway.

As for other optoins, what'd you have in mind, Mr. Embasador? People are in office because they have to make tough decisions for us. Going to war is probably the toughest. As much as I HATE politicians, it's a job that has to be done & I'm glad it's not me that has to do it. They "shelter" the public by limiting the information available. I'm sure there's plenty of reasons that necessitated us taking Saddam out of power by force that they don't want made public, reasons good AND fucking stupid.

And finally, as for Osama being a "figurehead"... what's wrong w/ saying that? Is it not true? Was he not the most wanted man in the world? I don't see why you picked on Red for that one It seems to me that it's pretty evident that he's the terrorist head honcho, no?

... As far as your neighbors Son, I'm honestly sorry to hear that. I know all too well that sending young men off to war can kill them and bring terrible sadness to their family & friends. But instead of discrediting his death, we should be honoring him by giving his death meaning that alot of people are throwing away. He fought for this country so that we could have this conversation criticizing our government and have freedom of speech. He fought for this country so that the USA could bring a major World enemy out of power. He fought so that the people of Iraq can have a future w/o opression and fear, just like we do. That's pretty damn honorable and selfless in my opinion. I thank God for the soldiers in our Military and prey to him that my friends that are overseas don't end up in boxs. But if they do, I will honor them by recognizing the meaning of their death and the purpose of their lives.

Lastly... everyone chill... we're gettin way too heated in here for our own good. It's not productive & it's breaking up friendships. And for the record, I was calling EVERYONE whiney bitchiz, not just the libs

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by neuthunder
not that I like to see the death of americans or enjoy the fact that there's a war, but c'mon, we're doing pretty good with only 2000 dead. not that I want to rationalize the deaths of american soldiers but at almost 4 years into a war we're doing a pretty damn good job of not dying. 4 years into vietnam there was 60,000 dead. Did we go to war for the wrong reasons, yes, but we're there now and cant leave, so lets support the troops and their leader in fighting terrorism and freeing the iraqi's..... and no I dont like bush, dont like the idea of supporting him, but he's in charge of this country and 150,000 troops in a war zone so we have to at least try and back him.

well said, I agree... I don't support Bush, but I support the young Men & Women overseas that don't control their own destiny.

[highsider]

Originally posted by OreoGaborio
Chris, friggin relax, would you? using the whole "oh, you called me a dirty word" card is so pre-school.

I didn't play a card you little fuckin Napoleon, (notice the irony here, dipshit ) I merely pointed out how juvenile it is to call someone names because they happen to disagree with you.

Originally posted by OreoGaborio


First paragraph: You're absolutely right, the government picked wmd's as the #1 reason & we didn't find any... well, there were plenty of other reasons why we went there, too. You listed a couple. Say you're in a bar & some dude is being a complete jackass, makin comments to you, bein a prick, etc etc etc. He does that one thing that pushes you over the line & you knock him out... why'd you do it? was there just one reason? I'm sure there's plenty of reasons and side-benifits for punchin his lights out, same goes for the War. There's NEVER just ONE reason to go to war. It's way too big of a decision to justify it by one reason. HOWEVER... you do need that "he crossed the line" point... Saddam bluffed, we called it hoping we'd hit the jackpot, but alas, no WMD's... well, that's alright, cuz there were plenty of other reasons why we shoulda punched his lights out anyway.

Easy for you to say, you're not a dead soldier.

Originally posted by OreoGaborio

And finally, as for Osama being a "figurehead"... what's wrong w/ saying that? Is it not true? Was he not the most wanted man in the world? I don't see why you picked on Red for that one It seems to me that it's pretty evident that he's the terrorist head honcho, no?

Ryan, are you reading this? Pete just proved my point even though he doesn't know it.

Originally posted by OreoGaborio
:
... As far as your neighbors Son, I'm honestly sorry to hear that. I know all too well that sending young men off to war can kill them and bring terrible sadness to their family & friends. But instead of discrediting his death, we should be honoring him by giving his death meaning that alot of people are throwing away. He fought for this country so that we could have this conversation criticizing our government and have freedom of speech. He fought for this country so that the USA could bring a major World enemy out of power. He fought so that the people of Iraq can have a future w/o opression and fear, just like we do. That's pretty damn honorable and selfless in my opinion. I thank God for the soldiers in our Military and prey to him that my friends that are overseas don't end up in boxs. But if they do, I will honor them by recognizing the meaning of their death and the purpose of their lives.

Lastly... everyone chill... we're gettin way too heated in here for our own good. It's not productive & it's breaking up friendships. And for the record, I was calling EVERYONE whiney bitchiz, not just the libs

Horseshit. That kid died at 19 years old, just barely out of fucking *high school*. We charged in, for BS reasons, and now he's dead. And thats why I continue to argue with people on here - I dont care if you have differing views, but its awful easy to say war is a good thing when the only death you see is on the news in morning as you eat your Wheaties.

War should be the very, very last resort, not the thing we do when we get bored of diplomacy.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
So now we're name calling? Wow, Ryan, impressive.

You are entirely missing my point with that long winded redneck rally cry.

We went to war looking for weapons. They weren't there. Instead of saying, "Hey, I fucked up", our President made retarded jokes, and decided that the war was all about "liberating Iraq" and "fighting terrorists". And now people are dying.

You can puke out drivel about "the big picture" and "Saddam was a bad guy anyway" all day long, and that doesn't change the fact that we went to war for something that wasn't there. Are some good things going to come from it? Yes. But, we were not even close to exhausting other options that would have left less death and destruction in their path.

I'm not even touching the part about Osama being a "figurehead". You saying that makes you look more ridiculous than anyone else could arguing the point with you.

you told me too.. damned if ya do damned if ya don't

I still heart ya

[highsider]

Originally posted by bigred875

I still heart ya

Same here.

Fuckin redneck.

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by highsider
Ryan, are you reading this? Pete just proved my point even though he doesn't know it.

well then why do'nt you get off your high horse & explain yourself so that you can make me feel even fucking dumber than I apparently am. Skrew you dude, this isn't about political debate anymore, it's about making other people here feel like an asshole.

OHH... but you did it w/o namecalling, Mr. High & Fucking Mighty

I KNOW I'm not all fucking informed on politics, but I have my opinions and I voiced them... I also tried to calm the waters since things are gettign WAY too damn personal, especially when you brought your neighbors dead son into the equation. That right there should have told you to back out cuz it was no longer an impartial debate on politics but your own personal quest to make everyone who doesn't 100% oppose the war be a total asshole.

Well if you wanna look down your nose at me cuz I dont have the same damn views as you do, then so be it, go ahead. I could care less about politics at this point you're turning this thread into a "I fucking hate you if you don't agree & I'm gonna make you look like an ass" personal attack thread, whether or not you're directly namecalling.

Fuck this shit, it's not worth loosing friends over.

[highsider]

Awww, Petie.....


Mr. High & Fucking Mighty.....I may put that in my sig.....

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
So now we're name calling? Wow, Ryan, impressive.

You are entirely missing my point with that long winded redneck rally cry.

We went to war looking for weapons. They weren't there. Instead of saying, "Hey, I fucked up", our President made retarded jokes, and decided that the war was all about "liberating Iraq" and "fighting terrorists". And now people are dying.

You can puke out drivel about "the big picture" and "Saddam was a bad guy anyway" all day long, and that doesn't change the fact that we went to war for something that wasn't there. Are some good things going to come from it? Yes. But, we were not even close to exhausting other options that would have left less death and destruction in their path.

I'm not even touching the part about Osama being a "figurehead". You saying that makes you look more ridiculous than anyone else could arguing the point with you.

lol this is why i dont post in these threads much any more...

but you harpin on those little factors belittles everything else and as you would say...make the libearls sound nuts...

I wouldnt mind hearing an apoligy too..but wtf are we 3rd graders...say your sorry...SAY YOUR SORRY WWAAAAAAA!!!! at what point do you get over it....and guess what.. all the reasons he gives for why we are there now are not bad reasons...they just would not have been worth going to war about... however..those are not the reason we are there....we are there because a decision was made on bad intelligence... yup...we got it...can we move on... other then you and all of us who would like to hear one what purpose does an apology do...stop our soldiers from dying? or just make us feel a little better so we can move on to the next talking point we kill W on....


and I wasnt saying that he was a bad guy anyways...that had nothing to do with it..there are a lot of bad guys...but at that time no one worse...

and AGAIN how damn easy is it to have this arguement after the fact...and do you even acknowledge the hypocracy from the left....and wtf is with you not acknowledging these dem's own words..

[bigred875]

furthermore....lol I am totally missing what is going on with you 2..

i am trying to get work done all while educating chris.....it is a tough job but someone has to do it

[neuthunder]

we got bored with diplomacy? diplomacy ended when 2 towers in new york went down and 3000 people died. i think we can all agreed that hussein supported terrorism and that your we should honor your 19 yr old neighbor for having the fortitude to avenge the death of innocent americans.

[OreoGitorio]

laugh all ya want dude, it's true. This is why I fucking hate politics and try my damndest to stay out of it.... everyone has their own opinion & if the other people around them dont agree it turns into a personal "fuck you, you suck, you're an idiot" fest & you just alienate all your own fucking friends till you find someone that agrees w/ you & you jump in bed w/ em.

Fuck that, I'm not into makin enemies. Enough people don't like me for reasons I don't know about about as it is. Shit like this just makes me think that even more people dislike me than I thought.

And Chris, I love how you flip the "serious/joking" switch on & off so damn fast at your lesure, no one can fuckin understand whether you're intentionally being an asshole or joking around.