[Suf Daddy]

Interesting.........

Glass bowl theory sounds good, but so does letting the neighbors nuke (or conventionally missle each other) then we can have a modern day catastrophe and everyone will disarm their nukes.....

Too many dirty bomb wanna be's out there.........

Too RISKY these days IMHO.

-Suf Daddy

[richw]

It is always hard for a good person to understand a true fanatic.

In their mind

"It is not that I should win it is that you should lose"

There should be a Bush Doctrine that any nuclear attack including dirty bombs on the US will result in full scale retailiation towards a list of the mongrel nations with Iran at the head.

If OsamaBL had a nuke he would have used it 9-11. The f'd up suicide towel heads would hit the button quickly to meet their better looking 76 virgins and expect an extar couple for the great effort.

Conventional thinking does not apply to a world where a small group of crazies can kill 10 million people.

[benVFR]

Richw makes ze doctor happy!

Make lots of Glass!

[number9]

Originally posted by bentbryan
They sit on the largest oil supply in the world. The newly 'elected' president has recently made some really nice statements along the lines of Isreal must be eliminated and that the Holocoust never happened. He's also making a big push for nukes.

Iran have a lot of oil, yes, but it really depends on how you define 'biggest" in terms of their reserves. At the moment, Saudi Arabia has the biggest oil reserves in terms of what can be easily refined from crude.

Canada has billions of barrels of oil stuck in that tar sands stuff, but they can't (yet) refine it with economic viability. Likewise, Azerbaijan has massive oil reserves but there is little commercial exploration there (yet).

The problem with Iran is that they are a) mental b) rich and c) don't care what anyone else thinks.

Originally posted by richw
There is the all but confirmed rumor that Israel has been a nuclear power for the last 30 years and hasn't used them yet.

Israel's official policy on nuclear status is... they won't say one way or the other. But, everyone knows they've got nuclear capability.

The calculus is that the Arabs and Persians already hate the Israelites as much as possible so
"Freedom is nothing left to lose"

I'm glad you see the difference between Arabs and Persians, but Israelities is a biblical term -- I think most people call them Israelies now

[bentbryan]

Originally posted by richw
It is always hard for a good person to understand a true fanatic.

In their mind

"It is not that I should win it is that you should lose"

There should be a Bush Doctrine that any nuclear attack including dirty bombs on the US will result in full scale retailiation towards a list of the mongrel nations with Iran at the head.

If OsamaBL had a nuke he would have used it 9-11. The f'd up suicide towel heads would hit the button quickly to meet their better looking 76 virgins and expect an extar couple for the great effort.

Conventional thinking does not apply to a world where a small group of crazies can kill 10 million people.

Everyday now I read something in the news that is bringing me in closer to this line of thinking.

I seriously doubt 'politics' is going to resolve this situation.

I've heard that we can delay Iran's nuke ambitions by as much as 5 years with just 2 days of airstrikes.

I say do it. This fucker is building a bomb and is going to use it.

[richw]

Even if they only get a quantity of high grade radioactive material that can be used to great effect.

All the scenario has to be is for a minor revolt that lets the crazies think the are losing control. They give Al Qaeda the material. It detonates in NYC harbor or Boston etc. The entire area is made uninhabitable for centuries. Millions die of radiation poisoning over the next 3 months more from Cancer for the next 20 years like Chernobyl.

Next the fleeing millions (maybe me too) scavenge the surrounding 500 miles in a lawless rampage. Lock and load, helter skelter and every other nightmare.

I know we should have the UN security council write them a nasty note.... That'll fix em

[ZX-12R]

Originally posted by bentbryan
I've heard that we can delay Iran's nuke ambitions by as much as 5 years with just 2 days of airstrikes.

Israel already did this once and I would not be surprised to see it happen again.

[benVFR]

This is really starting to sound like it is Dubyas next big adventure.

With the idiotic drivel coming out of the Iranian president's mouth today to his troops, "You are the most powerful army in the world because you rely on God!" it is only a matter of time before we have yet another Camels vs. Modern fighting machine cage match.

The crappy thing is I don't want to see another war especially while we're already overextended, but this guy is starting to seem like way more of a loose cannon then Saddam was.

[ZX-12R]

I'm not concerned about an over extended military. We easily have the capacity to decimate Iran. I worry about the politics of war which prevents us from using our military in its most effective manner.

A preemptive strike against their nuclear facilities would neutralize the threat for a number of years. There wouldn't be any major retaliation since Iran doesn't have the means to extend their limited power to the US. Hell, even Egypt and Iran put together couldn't occupy the outer regions of Israel for more than a week before getting their collective asses handed to them.

If they are so excited to me Allah, I say let's give them a shove in the right direction!

[benVFR]

We could certainly send a few bombs their way but as far as actually invading with troops we're definitely overextended right now.

I didn't think anyone would say our actual ground forces aren't overextended right now with the Iraq mess & Afghanistan. What with so many reserve guys having to go to Iraq, the military hanging onto people after their tours are up, quick rotations, etc..

The problem is does a quick air strike just cause more of a problem as it motivates so many terrorists.

[soljiah]

yeah..Iran scares me....if the president decides to invade..i might be going over there....iono if it would be better or worse than iraq cuz its a whole new country to invade...i also wouldnt be surprised if we do invade...

[ZX-12R]

Originally posted by benVFR
We could certainly send a few bombs their way but as far as actually invading with troops we're definitely overextended right now.

I'm betting that we do it by proxy through Israel. Pretty much we will arrange everything but they will execute it so it looks like we had nothing to do with it. Iran won't retaliate because they don't have the ability to beat the Israeli army. Things will get interesting over the course of the year.

What's the status of the nutcase running North Korea? Haven't heard much about him lately.

[benVFR]

Does Israel have enough troops to actually go into Iran?

This is the same problem we have with Iraq... Israel's got the better technology but they can't possibly have anywhere near the # of troops Iran has, if you go in and need to occupy you're going to need a million troops cause every one of those people is going to turn into an "insurgent" or "terrorist" or just "another dude with an AK".

[ZX-12R]

I don't think Isarel has a large enough army to completely take over Iran but then again many people thought Germany didn't have the means to take over half of Europe.

[roso]

one thing that could happen is they could pull the troops from iraq and send them to iran that would satisfy the people here that say it is a loosing battle and satisfy the people that want to invade iran... just kidding alot of those guys need to come home
as for iran bomb those mfs and if possible kill the dicktator
i dont know if you guys know but he is one of the looney guys who thinks the 12th coming of mohammeds kid is going to be born and there should be a crazy war
in my opinion we should just bomb the crap out of iran and make it a pile of rubble but no nukes if one country fires them it will be a forth july

[bentbryan]

Originally posted by benVFR
Does Israel have enough troops to actually go into Iran?

No. Israel is certainly capable of defending itself from attackers. Projecting power is another matter entirely. They simply don't have the numbers to mount a major gound invasion.

[bentbryan]

Originally posted by benVFR


This is the same problem we have with Iraq... Israel's got the better technology but they can't possibly have anywhere near the # of troops Iran has, if you go in and need to occupy you're going to need a million troops cause every one of those people is going to turn into an "insurgent" or "terrorist" or just "another dude with an AK".

I don't believe so. I keep hearing about the "new, westernized Iranian youth".

It's too bad...I listened to Newt the other night and he stated that we have done jack shit to make inroads to allies within Iran. And that is post 9/11, btw.