[bigred875]

Originally posted by chr|s sedition
I havn't heard his views on gay marriage. I can only imagine. He make some some valid points, but I often think he argues more from a point of rhetorical spin (than with logic) and often dosn't seem to give deference to the full complexity of a given issue...albeit, he does have some decent persectives.

ya i can see that...he also harps on stupid details and can bully his callers....when he could be shutting them up with intelligent debate...he has a hard time with people that arent articulate

[bigred875]

Originally posted by TheIglu
Darryll, remember, the babyboomer generation can do NO WRONG.

:RANT:

Those were the "good old days", right? But nobody ever realized that the shit that went down back then would have to be paid for in the future. Hence why we have the EPA.

I'm gunna laugh when I'm 40 and they all are starving on SS and loosing their houses. They can fuck themselves as far as I care. Maybe by then I can have the option of having a "summer home" or buy a new car every 2 years.

But instead the government is going to be nearly bankrupt keeping the money flowing since they refuse to sell their homes when they can't afford it any longer. Why doesn't the government help people like a friend of mine? Student loans, low paying job that is high for his situation, degree, wife that works full time too, two old used cars, no hobbies that cost $$$ but banks laugh at him for all house loans. If old Lady Robinson went to the home there would be one more house for a new family to start in. Instead that crusty old bitch is gunna die in it 10 years from now while using it for 10% of the space until then. All the while here is my friend, paying rent to another babyboomer who has 3 houses, no degree, no job, just "got a good deal" and bought these houses 15 years ago for 15% of what they would go for now. Pay scales haven't gone up HALF that.

Why do you think home prices are so rediculous? So many people can afford them, that's why. Thank you babyboomers. Thank you corperations for increasing pay mainly due to time spent on the job instead of value added.

1-800-JOE-4OIL

Fuck you joe. That little old 92 year old lady who lived in that house since she was 23 at least could AFFORD a house when she was 23. Now since it's such a horrible thing when the bank forcloses on a home there are so few cheap homes for sale.
Keep supporting the people who can't afford homes so that the everyday person can't as well. It's unfortunate but a large majority of my generation is doomed to rent or barely squeak by owning for most of their lives. And I thank liberals for that, even though I side with them for most things.

end of rant, back to work

while I do understand what you are saying i am not sure that is entirely true...home ownership is at an all time high....don't take what is going on in this part of the country and think it is like that everywhere.....for example...in NC there are tons of new affordable homes...new construction...etc....and a lot of other parts of the country...

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by bigred875
ya i can see that...he also harps on stupid details and can bully his callers....when he could be shutting them up with intelligent debate...he has a hard time with people that arent articulate

HA! ok, you just hit the *exact* reason I dont like him at times...but, as simple as this is, I didn't realize it untill your post....he is ARROGANT. I have no problem with debate; it is essential for democracy. However, when someone is a bully in debate, it's just plain disrespectful...and I ain't down with that (unless of course, Suzuki is the subject of the disrespect. )

[bigred875]

Originally posted by chr|s sedition
HA! ok, you just hit the *exact* reason I dont like him at times...but, as simple as this is, I didn't realize it untill your post....he is ARROGANT. I have no problem with debate; it is essential for democracy. However, when someone is a bully in debate, it's just plain disrespectful...and I ain't down with that (unless of course, Suzuki is the subject of the disrespect. )

yes he is very arrogant....but not offensively all the time....most of the time he is pretty good....also some of the callers have it comming.....esp on fridays he tries to relax the subjact matter....calls it sex, drugs and rock-n-roll fridays or something....a while ago he did a show on music which was pretty good...

[Kham]

i lost track. what does home ownership have to do with politics?

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by Kham
i lost track. what does home ownership have to do with politics?

Let the bears pay the bear tax.

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by richw
The oil in the hole theory I am so scared.

Now if your cage rolls and there is a qt of oil on the ground out comes the hazmat unit and treats it like ebola virus.

Then charges you 2 to 3000 for the provaledge.

Then your EPA and mafia freinds dig up the soil and bring it to an asphalt plant mix it with the stickiest oil by product then smear it over the ground the next day.

Once the leftist create a bureoucracy it stays alive causing mischief long after its real use has ended.

Now the Gaeist are after Teflon precursers to shut down Teflon. Then they go home and fry their tofu in a non stick pan and light up a joint. But they are rightous that Mother Earth doesn't want Teflon precursers at 2 or 3 parts per billion.

This all happens will the hollywood left croud flys in for the green house gas convention.

Your all fools if you think they are out to help you.

They are religous cultist with the power of legislation behind them.

huh?

[richw]

You get it

your just embarrassed to see the hypocrisy
of the feel good leftineestas

Heh I like that Leftineestas

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by richw
Then charges you 2 to 3000 for the provaledge.

Is a provaledge a cliff made of cheese?

I would gladly pay 3 grand for a cliff made of cheese. But it would need to be built over an ocean of red wine, for obvious reasons.

[bigred875]

that sounds delicious

[Honclfibr]

Indeed it does, red. Indeed it does.

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by richw
You get it

your just embarrassed to see the hypocrisy
of the feel good leftineestas

Heh I like that Leftineestas

Actully, I don't get it. This whole thread has been about people on here trying to share ideas with each other. I'm asking for clarification becuase I didn't follow you through the arugment you made. Educate me.

I have made no claims of affiliation with any poltical party here. In fact, I even argued against such blanket ideals. Hence, I'm not quite sure where the accusation of embarrsement orginates???

[RandyO]

Originally posted by chr|s sedition
Well, the two are distinguishable. A squid w/o helmet made a choice not to wear a helmet. His death is a consequnce of his own actions ad choices. Have a nice funeral. On the other hand, the mentally insane person has been inflicted with something beyond his or her control.

darwin's theory is not fair, life is not fair , let me have a choice of who I help out in life, let me live to my desired standard of living and make my own choices in charity

[zombie]

great debate here so far guys other than richW thinking the whole world is a communist plot out to get him..

People on the right I admire are William F Buckley and Pat Buchannan as they are cogent and willing to engage in meaningful debate without resorting to shouting or accusations.
I guess the point I'm making here is that a good open debate can really show that there is not a lot of difference between the majority of people in this country..
I hate to see hardliners from either side whether it's the religous right or the looney left push their narrow agendas..
I really belive this country is wide open for a third party to arrive and shake up the balance of power right now as it is sorely needed , as the dems and repubs have become arrogant and selfish

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by zombie
I really belive this country is wide open for a third party to arrive and shake up the balance of power right now as it is sorely needed , as the dems and repubs have become arrogant and selfish

That, I think, was the great lesson of Perot. And it scared the hell out of the Rep's / Dem's as to how well he actully did. Hence, they have made sure it never happens again. A very telling moment about this was a few years ago when Nader and Buchanan joined forced to both complaining that the Dem's / Rep's only allowed public debate to fall within a certain spectrum of ideology. It's not often that to see a well know lefty and a well know righty coming together to bash the "center"...and I think they were spot on with that issue.

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by RandyO
darwin's theory is not fair, life is not fair , let me have a choice of who I help out in life, let me live to my desired standard of living and make my own choices in charity

The theory of lets-evolve is not fair at all. I wasn't claiming it was, or should be. Indeed, everthing from Penicillien to motorcycle's has crippled the evolution process of man. I was only trying to probe how closely you adhere to a *pure* lets-evolve-theory outside the confines of what is traditionly understood 'welfare' benefits.

[richw]

First I am not pro pollution. I actually organize my neighborhood trash clean up. You don't need a government paid tree hugger to pick up litter.

Yes 40 years ago there was ridiculous behavior such as the oil in the drain

That was nothing compared to the municipal practice of raw town sewage being run directly into the nearest creek.

Factories use to pour thousands of gallons of cyanides into the local creek or hole

This was near criminal behavior practiced mostly by your local government.

So that was wrong and there were controls placed upon people to stop the egregious behavior. Unfortunately after it was done these aholes didn't go home. In fact this new bureaucracy attracted the Gaeists so after 40 years it is basically a religious organization. They do not believe that you have any rights when it comes to mother earth. They are the anointed ones and you are a stain on the universe.

I am a libertarian so I want actual proof that your activity does impinge on the other guy before any attempt to stop you is made.

That includes religous right issues like gay marriage and abortion etc. Being a Classic conservative I do NOT believe I know what is best for you not less the planet

Also I expect lefties to attacked spelling typo's rather then content.

[RandyO]

Originally posted by chr|s sedition
The theory of lets-evolve is not fair at all. I wasn't claiming it was, or should be. Indeed, everthing from Penicillien to motorcycle's has crippled the evolution process of man. I was only trying to probe how closely you adhere to a *pure* lets-evolve-theory outside the confines of what is traditionly understood 'welfare' benefits.

traditionally understood welfare benefits ??? what to fuck is a traditionally understood welfare benefit? it wasn't that long ago, that if you were poor, you went to the poor house.

I not only think we should bring the poor houses & poor farms back, we should also bring back debtors prisons

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by RandyO
what to fuck is a traditionally understood welfare benefit?

When most people think "welfare" they think of an unrban mother of 8 kids who dosn't work. This is what I meant by "traditionally understood welfare benefits". (albeit, point in fact, is that this isn't the typical person who receives welfare). This "traditional" form of welfare can be contrasted with the types most people dont think about; the 2 year-old who has been removed from their parents becuase of abuse, 9/11 type survivors, VA hospitals, mentally insane, elderly, etc...this was the distinction I was making.

as for debtors prision, now I know you've gone El Loco. However, if it does come back, the first person in it should be Bush, followed by the rest of congress, for running up US debt so much.

[WildBill]

The VA Hospital is NOT Welfare its THANKS for your Service

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by WildBill
The VA Hospital is NOT Welfare its THANKS for your Service

wel·fare
1. Health, happiness, and good fortune; well-being.
2. Prosperity.
3. Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.


Under defition 3, it can be construed as such in that the government paying to support someone in need. The questions hinges upon how hardline someone is going to be with how they define "'welfare". Persoanlly, I am not opposed to welfare benefits, provided that they are not abused...which inc. VA units. Moreover, from what I know of VA hospitals, the "thanks" which is duly needed, is a very shoddy one at that. It is quite a shame that corporations can get multi-million dollar bailouts, and those who have served the counrty get far less support for a much greater sacrafice.

[WildBill]

It is not Welfare it is part of your Contract with the Goverment for your Service and Yes the VA Sucks, but it still is not Welfare.

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by WildBill
It is not Welfare it is part of your Contract with the Goverment for your Service and Yes the VA Sucks, but it still is not Welfare.

well, almost any time the government gives you some kinda service, you sign for it establishing the duties, rights, and responsibilities of a contractual relationship (be it a tax refund or food stamps), which is to say that contract alone would not be sufficent to entirely remove something out from the umbrella of "welfare"; I'm not saying that the VA is welfare in that 'traditional' sense, only that any benefit, welfare or not, strickly understood, may and can exisit within the confines of a contract....but were getting way off point here, anyway

Anyone think Iraq is gonna go full-blown civil war (or already has)?