[richw]

Solution to the un documented workers

1st they have 6 months to be out of the USA

2nd Place a bounty on each one of about $2000 for the ones who remain beyond 6 months. Payable to anyone including LEOs
No not dead or alive just captured. I would return them to Mexico by ship to the most southern port.

3rd Once in their home country they can apply and be given guest worker passes and return. If they get in trouble ever then they are put out never to return. Guest passes disqualifies you for citizenship.

4th After 1 year the bounty goes up to 10,000 and a fine for hiring undocumented workers of 10,000 is also put in place.

5th Immediately put inforce the old Australia policy. Anyone entering on an aircraft or vessel without proper documentation is placed on that airlines next flight out regardless of destination

Come on you can do it let fly

[bigred875]

sounds good to me.....

[benVFR]

You guys know that can't work.

There is a huge segment of US businesses dependent on illegal aliens for work.

Putting a plan in place like this would probably have catastrophic effects on the US Economy.

Any plan that is put in place has to be done extremely carefully, not clumsy sledgehammer approaches.

It is an ugly problem with no easy solution. Good to see Bush is being careful about this as opposed to jumping in before he has all the facts.

First things first we should shut the borders more tightly though to keep the problem from continuing to grow.

[bigred875]

the economy would not crumble...the technology would get better.. that same argument is what teh southerners used to keep slavery going because no one would pick cotton...

I can see both sides of this arguement...accept..for the most part, the people who are in favor of this do not have the best interest of the United States in mind...they are after the cheap labor...but whatever...

the bottom line is the something need to be done about this "invasion" from south of the border...there as many as 20 million crimaliens in this country....some say that figure is around 8-11 mill...which is still WAY too much... these people, no matter how nice and/or how good their intentions are....are a drain on our society...they pay no taxes, over populate our schools with their children and the Hospitals with their sick....someone has to pay for this stuff...and personaly..I'm getting sick of it...I paid over $20k in taxes last year..for what? For them to tell me I need to pay another $6k by 4/15 from some fuck up in 03...but i digress...

Personally I think we should go around and round up all of the illegals and ship them out...but I am smart engouh to know that is not a reasonable solution...

The fix to this problem is so fucking easy it isnt even funny.....they would not come here if there were no jobs..

so first and foremost...we heavily penalize any company who hires an illegal...so much so it is not worth hiring them..then ENFORCE THAT!

Second, put 2 razor wire fences up at the borders and have gaurds

THEN, fix the retarded system that fucks the good immigrants we want in our country over, so they have a chance at getting here legally...

once you do that it will be impossible for the illigeals(NOT undocumented workers...they are ILLEGAL!) to get work so they will return home and try to follow the rules....

The problem with just granting them ammnisty(sp?) is that this encourages people to break the law and just come over illegally and "wait it out" until the next time we grant amnesty...

not too mention the security issues...if i wanted to get a dirty bomb into this country i would bring it into Mexico and cross over the boarder there....

I voted for Bush twice and he is dead wrong on this issue.....it is obvious in this case that the Big Business Lobbiests are pushing for this...he says "they" take the jobs americans dont want to do...fuck that...thats crap...americans would do them...they jsut cant afford to for that cheap....and when you are not paying taxes a $7/hr job isnt as bad as it seems......

[benVFR]

Yes well the companies will say those jobs were not there before, they were "created" due to the availability of illegals.

It's not that I disagree with you, it's just there are WAY too many of them to throw them out all at once. Stuff would stop working. In the long term it'd balance itself out (we'd probably get messed up like Europe though). But in the short term it'd be a MESS.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by benVFR
Yes well the companies will say those jobs were not there before, they were "created" due to the availability of illegals.

It's not that I disagree with you, it's just there are WAY too many of them to throw them out all at once. Stuff would stop working. In the long term it'd balance itself out (we'd probably get messed up like Europe though). But in the short term it'd be a MESS.

I'm not saying we make an effort to throw them out...but we make it almost impossible to survive here without the right paperwork.... the problem isnt with the illegals themselves...we let them in here by not protecting/gaurding the borders and looking the other way when they hire their laborers...

[richw]

Thats why i say 6 months

some of the guest workers would be back in 2 weeks with their new guest worker cards

The bounty would replace the fence as soon as the INS officers new they could make a million dollars a year rounding up illegals I think they would put in some overtime.

[benVFR]

I guess we are somewhat in agreement then.

The # who got out and then got back in with the guest worker program would be tiny though. They'd just stay and hope not to get caught. Too hard to uproot their families, etc..

edit: Put a bounty on turning in people who hire illegals too.

[Honclfibr]

I support this system fully.

Mostly because I would make a killing smuggling illegals over the border, then turning them in a few weeks later for the bounty.

[odduc]

Yup ! Well, here we are...... We are faced with a massive problem and there is no real easy solution. I agree that the FIRST thing we need to do is to seal up the borders...tight!!!!

Secondly, I like the idea of a guest worker pass. But, we should provide a path to citizenship, if they desire. If they do not wish to become citizens, limit their time in country. It is also important that they understand that they are to assimilate into our society, NOT the other way around. READ:Learn the English language, it's how we communicate here.

I also like punishing employers who hire illegals.

I'm sure I'll have more to add.................

[TheIglu]

I think we should have a sit down and discuss where we want the underprivilidged and uneducated in our country to go. Without illegal aliens, we would have thousands upon thousands of jobs that legal citizens don't want to do. They would instead lay at home collecting welfare. The pay will never increase on these bottom of the barrel jobs and the unskilled middle aged worker will continue to suck our system dry. The only difference between now and if we get rid of all the aliens is more is getting done now and more profit is going to ALL companies, not just the big ones. What about the small carpenter who hires these migrant workers for pennies on the dollar of hiring a real american?

Blah blah blah. I don't really care either way. We'll all be ruled by swarms of locust soon enough anyways.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by TheIglu
The pay will never increase on these bottom of the barrel jobs and the unskilled middle aged worker will continue to suck our system dry. The only difference between now and if we get rid of all the aliens is more is getting done now and more profit is going to ALL companies, not just the big ones. What about the small carpenter who hires these migrant workers for pennies on the dollar of hiring a real american?

again...same arguement they used to keep slavery around... the world will adjust..it maybe hard at first but we'll make it..... the costs for some of these activities may go up... but technology in these feilds would increase a great deal to make it so 1 person can do teh job of more...


...i definately do not support bounty hunters running loose trying to round everyone up..old west style..lol

[richw]

Its simple calculus

If it is worth money to the licensed unskilled armed bounty hunters then they will hassle the undocumented.

Then the Arizona Farmer can get something for stopping the invasion instead of the law suit they get now.

Mostly at the end of a year the illegals will trickle down to near nothing. Then the 10 grand would kick in and rounding them up can be a job.

[bigred875]

If it is worth money to the licensed unskilled armed bounty hunters then they will hassle the undocumented.

the last thing i want is a bunch of armed rednecks running around terrorizng everyone with darker skin that can't come up with paperwork on the spot...

[benVFR]

It wouldn't be all that bad... do you carry your drivers license around? I do.

There'd have to be a published list & a database and a big government bureacracy to handle it! Yay more money to spend!

[legalspeed]

+ 2

[hessogood]

Originally posted by bigred875
the last thing i want is a bunch of armed rednecks running around terrorizng everyone with darker skin that can't come up with paperwork on the spot...

and it's times like this that you and I have different opinions.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by hessogood
and it's times like this that you and I have different opinions.

lol..fine with me...i won't get confused as an illegal so I'm not worried ...fuck it

[benVFR]

Vigilante bounty hunters would work fine IMO in less populated areas.

It'd work just fine down at the Mexican border I bet, seeing as they are already doing it, just not getting paid for it.

But it'd be a complete disaster in cities... guys running around in NYC trying to round up illegal aliens? Can you say riots and massive gang wars?

[richw]

That is why the 6 months to get outta Dodge

The workers permits only issued at a legal border crossing

this is actually a secret plan to buy stock in Greyhound

[bentbryan]

Thank you President Bush for encouraging this invasion!

[Hardcore]

Originally posted by bigred875
the last thing i want is a bunch of armed rednecks running around terrorizng everyone with darker skin that can't come up with paperwork on the spot...

these "rednecks" happen to be US citizens + the "darkies" without paperwork aren't!!!

[burnham]

Let them stay long enough to teach the white kids how to work.

[Uncle Snake]

It doesn't matter what color your skin is, waiting tables and picking apples is only worth a certain amount of money per hour........ Lazy-assed welfare fucks are not going to get up and do these jobs if free money keeps rolling in. Update the welfare system and make doing these low income, low skilled jobs necessary and maybe there won't be jobs available for the illegals......

It always comes back to greed...... Get all you can for as little as you can.......

Now, Back to your regularly scheduelled mug of rum.........

[number9]

Illegal immigrants should FOAD. Companies that knowingly hire illegals should be given zillion dollar fines.