[mikeb]

Originally posted by richw
Did Eric Harris And Dan Klebold have access to Fluff ?

in all my travels in the us i found fluff only in N.E. so i doubt it. maybe thats what they needed? ether that or parents that gave a shit what there kids were doing.

[richw]

Clicky

Its the jingle man
the voices make me do things

[Honclfibr]

Parents should and do have the right to send their kids to school with whatever lunch they see fit, but school lunches should be balanced and nutritious. For many low income families the public school lunch is the only proper meal a kid may have access to in a day, and providing that meal is part of the public school mandate. PB&F doesn't really fall under the category of a balanced meal. Public schools have access to nutritious food through federal programs, they should serve that food.

[burnham]

We had fluff available in school. Some days we would get all strung out on it. It started just as a Friday thing, then Saturday, Thursday, Sunday, Wednesday. Oh wait, I think it was cocaine. Nevermind. Fluff, give me a fucking break. What's next?

[JeffL]

Mzdagrl, I wasnt pointing at anyone here, since I dont really know more than a few people personally, and certainly dont know anyones parenting techniques. I grew up in an area that for the most part, is in the middle of east bum fuck. Its 5 minutes down the road to a "city" of 25,000, but as a kid, that might as well be to the moon. We rode our bikes around town and did the usual young kid, evil type stuff. Killing snakes, jumping through streams, and building dirt jumps for our 1 speed BMX bikes in the middle of the woods.

For kids growing up in a more urban area, I'm sure things are different completely, but I think people have to agree, a decent portion of parents are just too damned pussified to discipline their own children. I know in grade school (10-15 years ago), we'd have a FEW (1-2) "problem" kids per grade. The ones that were off the wall, always being out of line and causing trouble in class, picking fights, being general pains in the asses all the time. I think these days they'd probably just diagnose the kid with ADD/ADHD, put them on medication and call them cured. Now I'm sure theres more like 8-10 kids per grade they'd call "problem kids" and "diagnose" them with ADD. I mean, I'm sure theres SOME kids who truly chemically are not "right", but I know even 2 of my younger cousins have been "diagnosed" with ADD, and they arent even FIVE YEARS OLD YET. It's pretty disgusting to me. They were thrown into Pre-school way too early, act out of line, and all of a sudden they say they are chemically imbalanced and put them on meds, which is fucking ridiculous. Keep in mind, the mother (my aunt) is completely hands off with the kids, and the father wont hardly discipline them whatsoever. Just a "dont do that" or "no, thats not good" here and there, but nothing concrete. Seriously, I think kids these days just need a good whooping across the ass when they fuck up to keep them in line. I'm not talking beating them about the face and throwing them down stairs, just a smack across the bottom just to add some concreteness to a point you're trying to make.

Whatever, I'm half drunk and off on a tangent, but kids these days are fucking ridiculous. If you can say they are better in the past 5 years than they were 15-20 years ago, I gotta take my hat off to you.

[RandyO]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
PB&F doesn't really fall under the category of a balanced meal. .

of course not, but it can be a part of a well balanced meal if they give them milk and a bannana with it

[capt1014]

Originally posted by mzdagrl
Here we go.....

How can a parent be truly involved if, in order to provide a safe home for their children, in a safe neighborhood, said parents have to work two jobs each? Homes are on the rise - in Concord the average price of a three bedroom house is roughly $300,000, yet the median family income is only $45,000/year for a 2-parent (which we all know is rare), 2-child household. Half the family income is spent on mortgage. And with interest rates on the rise, even a less expensive home costs more than it should per month. I was a latch-key kid growing up. Both my parents worked in schools over a half hour away from home, but I had a grandmother who lived down the street who was very involved and retired. (side note, I WALKED there) Social Security doesn't pay enough to live even remotely comfortably, so if you are lucky enough to have granparents around to help out, most of them are working during retirement anyway. Caregivers know that they are in high demand and can charge an arm and a leg for daycare or afterschool care, so they do, which in turn means mom and dad have to work EVEN MORE to afford for their kids to be taken care of. The poverty line has not increased in the same percentage as the cost of living, so even those who can't afford to live don't qualify for welfare. So, this in turn means fewer people without jobs which drives incomes down (less people are working so they don't have to pay as much to get people to come work for them. And, since no proud American is going to work for $5.15 an hour (minimum wage) these companies are hiring illegal immigrants to work, thus making more illegals in the country. And, because all the menial jobs are going to immigrants, we Americans need to go to school for longer and get more and more degrees in order to be qualified for a job that pays a living wage. BUT, in order to go to school, you need to take out tons of loans to afford it, since most colleges cost over $20,000 a year, 1 or 2 grand of which MIGHT be covered by scholarships if the kid is smart or talented enough (add that to the mortgage, cost of feeding and providing for two kids, and that puts quite a strain on the average $45,000/year household).....

Long story short, every "problem" in this country is not a stand-alone issue. Everything is linked in one way or another.

Whew.

Discuss.

Kiera there are other ways to be involved with kids even if both parents have to work. Any influence in a childs life will make a huge impact! So basically what you are saying is just another poor excuse for some lazy ass parent not to be involved. I saw a latchkey kid too. With no one around, no other relatives close.

[LuvDog]

What aggravates me is the time and tax dollars that are going into this stupid issue.

Doesn't this state senator have anything more important to deal with than fluff?

I just want my tax dollars back from this waste of time.

[mzdagrl]

Whoa guys, I was throwing out another option! All I am saying is that there are many reasons why so many kids are being babysat by the TV, and one of those is hands-off parenting. I'm not saying every house should have a stay-at-home parent, and I'm not saying there aren't other ways to be involved. As a latchkey kid, one of the thigns my parents stressed to me was that it was important for me to be responsible early. By the time I was in Junior high I was playing sports and doing afterschoola ctivities, which made me home later than my paretns, and I did that all through high school. Hell, I even did extracurriculars in college. They (my parents) weren't around all the time, but they knew that they still needed to be involved to be a parent. Prime example, when I was in high school, my mom was a high school principal. She ran the school next state over (rivals in basketball and soccer, only about 15 mins away), so many of the considerations that are made for scheduling didn't apply. One of these was schools in our area each had different days for graduations so that teachers who had kids graduating could attend both. My mom's graduation was scheduled not only for the same day, but for the same time as mine. She told them that she wouldn't be able to make hers, and went to mine. It is about sacrifice. Too many employers nowadays would have said, "Fine you can't make it, you can't work here." I have had employers say that for a lot less. With so many families in dire need of every penny, a lot of parents might hear that threat and be scared into missing junior's graduation. These are just examples, I am not saying everyone had this childhood. I am pointing out how it might be different now than it was 10 years ago when an intelligent adult with a college degree didn't have to work 2+ jobs to pay for a $300,000 tiny house in a shitty part of town. Another example. I have a B.A. in psychology. 10 years ago that could have gotten me a decent paying job doing pretty much anything. Now, I am qualified for sales and retail, or a master's degree. If I worked in a group home with my degree, I would be qualified as a residential specialist. Average pay $8/hour. What the hell did I go to school for? I made more than that at the grocery store in high school.

[highsider]

Fluff makes me happy. If you dont like Fluff, I dont care about you.

[richw]

mzdagirl... Go back and kick that college guy in the nads...
The criminals are the colleges who have valueless degrees that can not be used to make a living.

If the children once and a while get a fluffernutter treat that's OK with me. Sometimes its dinner for my boys and sometimes its broccoli and adinamis (sp soy beans).

What is surprising is that edgumacators don't see the behavior difference of kids on sugar and even caffeine you'ld think they would have done it once and given it up themselves.

[mzdagrl]

Originally posted by richw

If the children once and a while get a fluffernutter treat that's OK with me. Sometimes its dinner for my boys and sometimes its broccoli and adinamis (sp soy beans).

That's how it should be. Junk mixed in with good food makes life happy. If we never treat our kids to things that make them happy, what kind of adults are we creating? I agree that schools should provide balanced meals, healthy choices, low sugar, etc. But if a kids gets food from home, I'm pretty sure it is ok to have sugar every once in a while.

[capt1014]

"Too many employers nowadays would have said, "Fine you can't make it, you can't work here."

You need to find better places to work, I have never run into that.

[MissTwisties]

Fluff with Nutella....yumm....

[Stoneman]

You don't have children Ben, do you?

[RandyO]

Originally posted by benVFR
You do live out in the wilderness.

Not like here where I have 6 sex offenders in a one mile radius.

Not that it is an issue but I wouldn't want to raise kids where I live right now, in that sense I agree with most of you.

There are very few neighborhoods where I live that even have back yards big enough to play sports in.

I grew up in a more rural area and I do think that is the better place for kids.

not all "sex offenders" are pediphiles

what is a sex offender anyway?

what's wrong with sex ?

what does sex have to do with fluff?

[jodymac]

what's wrong with sex ? what does sex have to do with fluff?

uuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........fluff and sex

[highsider]

Originally posted by jodymac
uuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........fluff and sex

See, I knew *someone* could give this thread some redeeming value.

[SVRACER01]

Originally posted by bigred875
the sugar makes kids fat....

yeah.. that MUST be whats making them fat its NOT the fact that schools are cutting recess and gym time. its NOT that parents dont force their kids to go out and play. its NOT that kids these days dont even ride bicycles because they have some form of motorized trasportation instead. and its definatly NOT the fast food. yup... its the Fluff.. and soda. and the little candy bar that mom puts in their lunch. and the fact that its gotten THIS BAD that parents cant control or take responsibilty for their own kids that the schools have to step in for them. this is what i hate about the USA.... no one is responsible for their own actions.... its always someone elses fault.

its Burger Kings fault that you are fat.. not because you eat there 12 times aweek

its Mcee Dees fault YOU burned YOURSELF with HOT coffee

its the schools fault that your kids are fat because they are your babysitter while you are at work.

its TVs fault little Eric went and raped and killed some young girl.

its just rediculous

[Stoneman]

Originally posted by SVRACER01
yeah.. that MUST be whats making them fat its NOT the fact that schools are cutting recess and gym time. its NOT that parents dont force their kids to go out and play. its NOT that kids these days dont even ride bicycles because they have some form of motorized trasportation instead. and its definatly NOT the fast food. yup... its the Fluff.. and soda. and the little candy bar that mom puts in their lunch. and the fact that its gotten THIS BAD that parents cant control or take responsibilty for their own kids that the schools have to step in for them. this is what i hate about the USA.... no one is responsible for their own actions.... its always someone elses fault.

its Burger Kings fault that you are fat.. not because you eat there 12 times aweek

its Mcee Dees fault YOU burned YOURSELF with HOT coffee

its the schools fault that your kids are fat because they are your babysitter while you are at work.

its TVs fault little Eric went and raped and killed some young girl.

its just rediculous

Fukkin' aye, right!

Signed,
A responsible parent...

[richw]

Don't worry the future is coming and...



These will be the good old days

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by JeffL
I'm sorry, but parents these days are pussies. What ever happened to a good old ruler across the ass, and getting the kids outside to run around, play in the woods, or gosh, even a sport or something after school. I see more and more little 12 year old wanna be gangster little kids around my area all the time, I just dont get it. When I was 12 we were out in the woods climbing trees and causing general mayhem, not heading straight home to talk on AOL and send text messages to my homies on my blackberry or palm pilot. Kids these days are just fucking stupid and lazy, period.

word.

playing war in the woods is way better than (1) playing it on Nintendo, or (2) playing it for *real* b/c your trying to to be a little-ass-G.

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by SVRACER01

its Mcee Dees fault YOU burned YOURSELF with HOT coffee

ok, I'll stand up for the lady in this one for two reasons that most people dont know about this case:

(1) the woman got THIRD-DEGREE BURNS.

(2) McDonalds had been warned several times prior to that even that the extereme tempature of their coffee posed an UNREASONABLE risk to public saftey, and they did nothing about it.

I'm sorry, but no reasonable consumer is going to expect that they would get THIRD-DEGREE burns from coffee. there is just no reason for someone to make coffee that hot, and if they do, they should be respobsible for the foreseeable consequnces of their actions.

[SVRACER01]

Originally posted by chr|s sedition
ok, I'll stand up for the lady in this one for two reasons that most people dont know about this case:

(1) the woman got THIRD-DEGREE BURNS.

(2) McDonalds had been warned several times prior to that even that the extereme tempature of their coffee posed an UNREASONABLE risk to public saftey, and they did nothing about it.

I'm sorry, but no reasonable consumer is going to expect that they would get THIRD-DEGREE burns from coffee. there is just no reason for someone to make coffee that hot, and if they do, they should be respobsible for the foreseeable consequnces of their actions.

FINE.... but you understand my point. this incident opened the fllodgates for thousands of other stupid lawsuits

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by SVRACER01
FINE.... but you understand my point. this incident opened the fllodgates for thousands of other stupid lawsuits

skewered media perception of how the court system works provided for that idea. the truth is that it did *not* open the flood gates. to establish a prima facia case for damages under a tort action, a number of elements have to be shown. One of which is that a legal duty is owed and followed. "stupid law suits" often get dismissed before they ever make it into court, b/c no such duty is owed, or b/c the defendat is not the proximate case of the injury suffered (i.e. the woman is the cause of the coffee being split, but the excessive tempature of the coffee, and thus the 3rd degree burns, were proxmatlly cased by McDonalds, not the woman). moreover, the dumb suits that *do* go forward often rest on dumb laws that the legislator passed, not b/c some old woman wanted to go after McDonalds for violating a reasonable saftey standard.