[odduc]

I have said too many times to count, here on this forum, that I welcome anyone from anywhere else in the world who wants to come here, legally, and become a productive member of our society. They must also assimilate into our society and our culture, NOT the other way around. Rick makes some great points about our out of control PC attitudes. Our fear of offending anyone is a true Achilles heel and, not surprisingly, there are many who are taking full advantage of this. Meanwhile, we cower and give in to any demands made by anyone who screams loud enough. However, if we were to try and do the same thing, anywhere else in the world, I am sure that we would end up either deported or in one of their prisons. Yeah, I'm sick of it all, too.

[capt1014]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
[b]learn the fucking language!!!

This is just to piss Rick off, but what do you think the settlers did, do you think they went out and learned the language of the native americans?

NO THEY DIDN"T, they blasted their ways into the minds and lives of people and if they didn't accept them then they were destroyed. Ohh sounds like Christanity in the middle ages, (crusades?)

Just like the native americans.

Oh and wake the fuck up there are still native americans around.

Check the casino ownership papers!

BUT BUT BUT before you go off and try to ream me for this,

I ABSOLUTLEY AND RESOLUTLEY AGREE WITH YOUR IDEA OF THIS THREAD!

We as people who speak the most customery langauage in The United States of America should not have to listen to The National Anthem in any other tounge. It should never be changed to accomidate the lazy or ignorant who can't or don't to learn english!

My .02$

Oh and PS, if it illegal to shoot people what if we shoot illegals?
Are they people or illegals?
They could be illegal aliens, in that case they are not of this country or world and are infesting or country and world, so would shootings be in defense of the US or world?

[Rick Lee]

LMAO...thanks for redeeming yourself at the end. I was feeling lazy and wasn't looking forward to verbally smacking you around.

[souljah996]

This is in my eyes the true way to earn US Citizenship. Let them serve beside me! "bear arms on the behalf of the United States,"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/iraqusmilitary

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
learn the fucking language!!! Now the illeagals want to re-write the "The Star Spangled Banner"!!!! CLICK HERE TO GET PISSED OFF!!! I mean really WTF???? If you want to come to this country do it legally ,learn the language and don't expect anyone to pay your way!!! These dumb fucking bastards come here and expect us to change to make life easier for them. HELL NO! You come here cause this is one of the best countries to live in on the planet DON"T TRY TO CHANGE IT YOU LAZY FUCKS!!! [/rant]

Your moral outrage is duly noted. I'm pretty sure some nationalistic wingnut over in France is having an equally dramatic brakedown over America's bastardization of the "Croissandwich".

[Degsy]

Originally posted by souljah996
This is in my eyes the true way to earn US Citizenship. Let them serve beside me! "bear arms on the behalf of the United States,"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/iraqusmilitary

Would if I could, mate. I'm too old fer the army or I would be right there volunteering. If there was a draft, I would be first in line.

I guess I'll just have to do it the old fashioned way, by working hard, paying taxes, being a law-abiding person and hoping and praying that the interview goes well.

P.S I think anyone who serves TO A SATISFACTORY STANDARD in the US military deserves U.S citizenship and all the other benefits of the GI bill and VA rights too.

[capt1014]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
LMAO...thanks for redeeming yourself at the end. I was feeling lazy and wasn't looking forward to verbally smacking you around.

Careful I just might have enjoy some intellegent banter for a change.

[capt1014]

Originally posted by souljah996
This is in my eyes the true way to earn US Citizenship. Let them serve beside me! "bear arms on the behalf of the United States,"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/iraqusmilitary

Maybe but what if they can't inderstand the orders given because they don't know the language, aren't they more dangerous?

[richw]

English yes

There should be a military route to citizenship.

I do find it amusing...

If 10,000,000 people crossed your borders in uniforms and said they were taking up residency then the army would be despatched against an invasion.

But if you do it 50 at a time its OK ?

[benVFR]

Self righteous and perhaps well meaning conservative outrage, but directed at something fairly retarded yet again.

They are not changing the national anthem.. they're just making their own parallel song to appreciate the country in another language. When the US government votes to change the official anthem to a Spanish version, then we get outraged.

The linked article made a great point.. does Jimi Hendrix's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner piss you off?

In addition which of the artists are illegals? What does this have to do with illegals?

People not learning English fast enough is a totally separate issue from illegals.. you can be perfectly legal and be lazy about learning English.

Do all the Indian people I work with who immigrated legally and probably work 10x harder then the average conservative whiner and pull down healthy salaries, yet speak Hindi among themselves in the office piss you off just as much?

There are lots of things going on to get bent out of shape about... conservative blogs and blow-hards are just trying to blow this out of proportion to distract people from just how wrong they were about what the American people want.

[capt1014]

Originally posted by benVFR


They are not changing the national anthem.. they're just making their own parallel song to appreciate the country in another language. When the US government votes to change the official anthem to a Spanish version, then we get outraged.

Granted they are not changing the anthem now and I am not saying they have any plans to do so, but
As a native born american, with deep seeded love for this country, I should not have to listen to the arguement of whether the athem should be sung in spanish or english!!!!!

I should be kept as they way it was written at the time when we were struggling to be a country!

Anyone who loves this country should always learn the athem the way it was first laid to paper. It should not be broadcast in any other language!, do other countries tolerate thier athems being changed to accomidate the people who don't understand the language it was written in? I don't bitch about not being able to understand them, I sit there respectfully and keep my mouth shut, just like all these little pieces of lazy as shit should do!

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by benVFR

The linked article made a great point.. does Jimi Hendrix's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner piss you off?

Considering he is not white, I'd bet that it prolly does bother some people. Besides, I've heard more offensive renditions of the national anthem before Red Sox games.

It's also funny how these people who claim such due respect to national symbols pay no attention to the various American flag napkins, paper plates, and other nationalistic bullshit coporations put out every July 4th.

A person doing a Spanish rendtion of the National Anthem showing cultural appriciation of the country v. wipping your mouth with flag...

The 100% American is 100% idiot.

[chr|s sedition]

Originally posted by capt1014
do other countries athems change their athems to accomidate the people who don't understand the language it was written in? I don't bitch about not being able to understand them, I sit there respectfully and keep my mouth shut, just like all these little pieces of lazy as shit should do!

(1) There is NO STATE ACTOR (i.e. governmental agent) trying, stating, advocating, advancing, etc. that we "accomidate the people who don't understand the languge it was written in."

(2) Please cite to ONE INSTANCE where a "little piece or lazy shit" has "bitched about not being able to understand" the anthem and advocated that it should thus be changed for the purpose of their accomedation.

Thus, arguments which imply that such state actors or such positions have been advance are...really fuckin' dumb, not to mention being wholly without merit or the fundamentals of critical thinking.

[capt1014]

Originally posted by chr|s sedition
(1) There is NO STATE ACTOR (i.e. governmental agent) trying, stating, advocating, advancing, etc. that we "accomidate the people who don't understand the languge it was written in."

(2) Please cite to ONE INSTANCE where a "little piece or lazy shit" has "bitched about not being able to understand" the anthem and advocated that it should thus be changed for the purpose of their accomedation.

Thus, arguments which imply that such state actors or such positions have been advance are...really fuckin' dumb, not to mention being wholly without merit or the fundamentals of critical thinking.

oppps for got a word "do other countries tolerate their athems being change"

[capt1014]

Originally posted by chr|s sedition
(1) There is NO STATE ACTOR (i.e. governmental agent) trying, stating, advocating, advancing, etc. that we "accomidate the people who don't understand the languge it was written in."

(2) Please cite to ONE INSTANCE where a "little piece or lazy shit" has "bitched about not being able to understand" the anthem and advocated that it should thus be changed for the purpose of their accomedation.

Thus, arguments which imply that such state actors or such positions have been advance are...really fuckin' dumb, not to mention being wholly without merit or the fundamentals of critical thinking.

1) I never said that there were any advocating efforts by any government to change anything; the reality is that we as people in this PC world are allowing it to happen.
Beside aren't the people the government so in the scope of the whole thing the people who want this SPANISH RENDTION of the nation anthem are in fact a legitimate faction of the government so it turn you might be able to make to correlation between people who want this rendition of the anthem and the government being one in the same.

2) Question in rebut, why is the Anthem being converted into Spanish anyway? So people who don't understand English can understand the anthem better, hmmm seems like an accommodation to me, who about you? And who are advocating the change? People in the US? Spanish speaking people? People who are out there communicating their beliefs that it should be easier for people to understand it? This is what is called complaining, bitching whatever you want to call it.

[Honclfibr]

It's funny that those in this thread championing the need for immigrants to "learn the language" seem to be making the majority of spelling and grammatical errors.

Take note, Ms. Morrisette: this is irony.

[NinjaSwan]

we got into a lengthy convo about this one over the weekend and we concluded that we need more taco bells.

so yeah, our convo was pointless...

I came up with the idea that for every illegal that wants to be a US citizen must serve in the military. We send them to iraq and bring back the real american heros to our soil. that would fix two problems at once.

[NinjaSwan]

... and then we send the nuke.

[Honclfibr]

Also, I find it entertaining how being many Americans seem to think that being born in this country makes them somehow entitled to something. It's the new world aristocracy where natural-born American citizenship is somehow equated with nobility. Kind of funny considering the principles on which this country was founded. Gee, for a country of people that don't understand irony we sure do produce a lot of it.

[TheIglu]

Originally posted by capt1014

I should be kept as they way it was written at the time when we were struggling to be a country!

Anyone who loves this country should always learn the athem the way it was first laid to paper.

Should we do the same for the pledge of allegiance? If so, then the first step would be to remove the "Under God" that was added to it in 1954 by Congress after protest by the Knights of Columbus.

By the way, the term "equality" was intentially left out of the pledge to get it to be approved by the states superintendants of education since they were against equality to women and african americans. Wouldn't that be a better addition instead of "Under God"? What would we want our country to represent more, religious beliefs or equality? Looks like we have our answer in the current pledge.


Our country isn't fair, has been biased towards the vast majority and doesn't bother me at all that someone sang a song in a different language that represents their appreciation and patriotism towards a country they love. English, spanish, yittish, whatever. They like their country so leave them alone.

[capt1014]

Originally posted by TheIglu


Our country isn't fair, has been biased towards the vast majority and doesn't bother me at all that someone sang a song in a different language that represents their appreciation and patriotism towards a country they love. English, spanish, yittish, whatever. They like their country so leave them alone.

If they truely love thier country then why not make the effort to understand the National Anthem in the language it was written?

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by capt1014
If they truely love thier country then why not make the effort to understand the National Anthem in the language it was written?

When learning a language, we make use of materials that have been translated from the language into a language that we understand. This helps our brain make connections between the foreign words and our native words.

Now, if only someone who understood both Spanish and English would translate common English materials into Spanish to aid in the process. Maybe start with some common English songs, since the song's meter might provide a helpful mnemonic device. Even better, a patriotic song which has roots in our country's birth and can be embraced by newcomers as both a means for learning the language and a means of displaying pride in their new country of residence.

Now if only immigrants didn't HATE AMERICA so much, maybe they'd get off their LAZY WELFARE ASSES and do something like this.

[Rick Lee]

Seriously go back and read the effin article. They not only are rewriting some of the lyrics but have also added a rap to one of their versions! This is about them changing it to suit their needs not embracing America.

[daviid]

look at these photos from the illegal marches






If they want to become a US Citizen so badly, why the FUCK are they holding mexican flags. if your so damn proud of mexico why dont you go back there. Obviously life must of been so bad there, that you took the risk to get here, but yet disrespect the citizens of this country by raising another countries flag. If you come here legally, great, im happy for you, if you want to gain your citizenship awesome, i may even try to help. but if your here illegally, i think you should be shot on site. twice when crossing the border, because you obviously have no respect for people who belong here.

[benVFR]

Originally posted by NinjaSwan

I came up with the idea that for every illegal that wants to be a US citizen must serve in the military. We send them to iraq and bring back the real american heros to our soil. that would fix two problems at once.

Don't we have accelerated citizenship for those who enlist?

I believe someone in the federal government (Bush?) has advocated amnesty & accelerated citizenship for illegals who enlist.