[highsider]

As if we needed another war. clicky

What the article fails to mention is exactly what Iran is doing to warrant needing to be told to "back off". Because as nearly as I can tell, they haven't done anything other than be a conservative Muslim nation.

[JeffL]

Something about developing nuclear weapons, blah blah blah.

[highsider]

Originally posted by JeffL
Something about developing nuclear weapons, blah blah blah.

There were some vague references to the US thinking the Iranians are developing nukes. The Iranians say that they are making nukes for energy.

We dont have any proof otherwise.

So, in usual Bush policy fashion, we'll go start another bloody war on suspicions that may be a load of crap.

[WildBill]

Unbelievable

[highsider]

Originally posted by WildBill
Unbelievable

You can do better than that.

[bigred875]

hey chris...what the fuck does iran need with nuclear power with all that oil around?


Kim Jong-il only wanted nuclear power also...how'd that turn out? for a smart person you can be really naive man

[highsider]

Originally posted by bigred875
hey chris...what the fuck does iran need with nuclear power with all that oil around?


Kim Jong-il only wanted nuclear power also...how'd that turn out? for a smart person you can be really naive man

Eventually, like the rest of the world, Iran will eventually run out of oil. Maybe they just want a more renewable source of energy. Or, maybe they dont, maybe they're a bunch of crazy towelheads who want to blow shit up. Either way, we shouldn't be ruling out talks with them, and we definitely shouldn't be provoking them.

What ever happened to diplomacy and surveillance?

[RandyO]

Originally posted by highsider
Eventually, like the rest of the world, Iran will eventually run out of oil. Maybe they just want a more renewable source of energy. Or, maybe they dont, maybe they're a bunch of crazy towelheads who want to blow shit up. Either way, we shouldn't be ruling out talks with them, and we definitely shouldn't be provoking them.

What ever happened to diplomacy and surveillance?

what? you don't think we have been surveilling them

[JeffL]

Originally posted by highsider
Eventually, like the rest of the world, Iran will eventually run out of oil. Maybe they just want a more renewable source of energy. Or, maybe they dont, maybe they're a bunch of crazy towelheads who want to blow shit up. Either way, we shouldn't be ruling out talks with them, and we definitely shouldn't be provoking them.

What ever happened to diplomacy and surveillance?

Bush only has 2 years left in office, hes gotta make his moves mang. "Before its too late."

I fail to see how provoking other countries is the means to an end as far as "world peace" goes.

And theres a funny phrase, "world peace". You cant even get people to cooperate on a local community level, why would anyone believe they could get everyone lovey dovey happy horseshit around the world?

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by RandyO
what? you don't think we have been surveilling them

ding!

On a side-note, did anyone see Dan Rather on Letterman the other night? "Fabricated documents" aside, it was nice to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about on late-night TV talking about the war.... Dave, who's obviously a liberal, asked some really good questions about the Middle East, sending more troops, Iran etc & Dan Rather did a great job of presenting the opposite of Dave's point of view, it was really refreshing to hear reasonable people talking about serious issues.

Unfortunately I can't remember a shits worth of what he said

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
Eventually, like the rest of the world, Iran will eventually run out of oil. Maybe they just want a more renewable source of energy. Or, maybe they dont, maybe they're a bunch of crazy towelheads who want to blow shit up. Either way, we shouldn't be ruling out talks with them, and we definitely shouldn't be provoking them.

What ever happened to diplomacy and surveillance?

why on earth would anyone of sound mind sit down and attempt to talk with the leader of a coutry that openly wants an enitre country and religion wiped off the face of this planet? and he is considered a moderate! along with aiding the insurgents in iraq with training and weapons....

[highsider]

Originally posted by bigred875
why on earth would anyone of sound mind sit down and attempt to talk with the leader of a coutry that openly wants an enitre country and religion wiped off the face of this planet? and he is considered a moderate! along with aiding the insurgents in iraq with training and weapons....

He doesn't like Isreal. In much the same way as we didn't like Japan before we nuked them. Does that mean that the US was not worth talking with right around 1945?

I did read a report that they feel he might be aiding insurgents, it seemed to be a question as to what US troops should do with Iranian insurgents. I say kill them right along with the Iraqi insurgents, I dont understand why its even a question.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
He doesn't like Isreal. In much the same way as we didn't like Japan before we nuked them. Does that mean that the US was not worth talking with right around 1945?

I did read a report that they feel he might be aiding insurgents, it seemed to be a question as to what US troops should do with Iranian insurgents. I say kill them right along with the Iraqi insurgents, I dont understand why its even a question.

no man...not even close to the same... not even in the same ballpark...

we did not want evey japanese person killed....i can't beleive you actually wrote that..

[highsider]

Originally posted by bigred875
no man...not even close to the same... not even in the same ballpark...

we did not want evey japanese person killed....i can't beleive you actually wrote that..

I'm sure if you compared the number of dead Japansese in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the population of Israel, the numbers would be close.

And I'm not trying to make some big comparison, I'm saying that having a hatred for another nations does not make Iran unworthy of being treated in a civil, diplomatic fashion.

[bentbryan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4031603.stm

http://www.state.gov/t/us/rm/35281.htm

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...430649,00.html

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10792

[RandyO]

Originally posted by highsider
I'm sure if you compared the number of dead Japansese in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the population of Israel, the numbers would be close.

only if 6.5 million is close to 225,000

[bigred875]

Originally posted by highsider
I'm sure if you compared the number of dead Japansese in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the population of Israel, the numbers would be close.

And I'm not trying to make some big comparison, I'm saying that having a hatred for another nations does not make Iran unworthy of being treated in a civil, diplomatic fashion.

are you soft? Iran would like to commit genocide...

[highsider]

Originally posted by bigred875
are you soft? Iran would like to commit genocide...

So whats the alternative? Kill 'em all?

[bigred875]

[hessogood]

Originally posted by highsider
So whats the alternative? Kill 'em all?

That's right, kill the iranians on the suspicion that they might want to kill other people.

[richw]

I was under the impression that the Iranians are increasingly involved with the violence in Iraq.

Iranian agents and material actively involved in the insurgency including killing our troops. They are all Shia and would either take over when we leave or have New Iraq as a puppet state they control.

This would give them another 15 to 20% of the worlds oil supply and park their Shia ass on the Sunni Saudi Arabia and Kuwait Border.


Better get used to being cold and growing Corn in your back yard. Do Sportbikes make good Planters


Loose the CIA death squads and have Irans 1st nuke test go terribly wrong.
We thought it was 100kiloton and look its a 20 megaton and killed their scientists and leaders f'n amateurs

[Doc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II, irrespective of political alignment, was roughly 62 million people. The civilian toll was around 37 million, the military toll about 25 million. The Allies lost around 51 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million. (Note that some Axis countries switched sides and reentered the war on the side of the Allies; those nations are included in the Allied count, regardless of when the deaths occurred.)

OIF
http://icasualties.org/oif/

All Major Conflicts US Casualties
http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/other/stats/warcost.htm


All Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_toll

Just food for thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

I haven't read this...http://www.iranbodycount.org/

[chr|s sedition]

"DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - A second U.S. aircraft carrier strike group now steaming toward the Middle East is Washington’s way of warning Iran to back down in its attempts to dominate the region, a top U.S. diplomat said here Tuesday."

Yeah, it's our job to dominate the region, not the people that live there.