[Doc]

My military sources have given me this TOP SECRET photo.

I am leaking it here.

[Jingo_Maze]

Now that would be an avatar worth keeping!!

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[Doc]

Originally Posted by Jingo_Maze

Now that would be an avatar worth keeping!!

Jingo

Did you say Avatar?

[bigred875]

that is an awesome avatar hahaha

[Jingo_Maze]

Perfect!

[benVFR]

Wait doesn't this make shim more attractive to conservative voters?

I mean that's the REAL reason you hate her so much right, cause she's not a he?

[Doc]

Umm, No.

I dislike Mrs. Clinton for President primarily because of her stance on the military.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by benVFR

Wait doesn't this make shim more attractive to conservative voters?

I mean that's the REAL reason you hate her so much right, cause she's not a he?

ya thats it lol

I think the first woman president will have to be a republican....seriously...

She is not electable much like guliani......there is a good percentage of democrats who cannot stand her....

I really do not see that attraction...she's a miserable bitch...when she speaks in public she drones on in a monotone voice that transforms into a shreik all while not saying a goddamn thing... the only reason she has gotten this far is because of bill....and people want bill because they believe things were better back then...which is another topic for another thread....

I hope people will smarten up before the election..and i thnk they will

I'd rather see obama get the nomination...he may not have much of a record...but atleast he doesnt have a shady history

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by Doc

Umm, No.

I dislike Mrs. Clinton for President primarily because of her stance on the military.

and a socialist, a liar, a cover-up artist, takes both sides of every issue(trait learned from her husband), changes her position with popular consensus, no experience in politics other then a couple years as a senator and being a politicians wife.......the list goes on and...i can't think of one reason why she would make a good president. But i am open to learning some....please share them if you know of any...

Ben, you have it a bit backwards...the only reason she is being considered for office is because she is a woman...

[highsider]

Originally Posted by bigred875

and a socialist, a liar, a cover-up artist, takes both sides of every issue(trait learned from her husband), changes her position with popular consensus, no experience in politics other then a couple years as a senator and being a politicians wife.......the list goes on and...i can't think of one reason why she would make a good president. But i am open to learning some....please share them if you know of any...

Ben, you have it a bit backwards...the only reason she is being considered for office is because she is a woman...

I don't like Hilary, but I thought the the job of an elected official is to "change position with popular consensus".


I'm a little worried that she will get the nomination, and maybe even win, based off her recent proclamation that she will end the war immediately if she is elected.

[benVFR]

Yah I don't like her either, personally I think we need an amendment that says no more Clintons or Bushes can be in office... how many generations does it take before we're just like the British? I'm sure Jeb Bush (probably with Cheney as VP again) would be 10000x scarier then GW.

But (and this isn't necessarily young conservatives or New England conservatives) I pretty firmly believe there is a large segment of the Republican demographic which firmly believes women and minorities need to be kept in their place.

Why is Guiliani unelectable? Cause he's from NYC? Is he Catholic? The lisp? The hair? It's certainly not anything meaningful. I figure Romney is definitely unelectable due to his religion. Not that Romney would be any good anyway.

You know if Hillary claims she could end the war that fast why not... as long as Bush manages to not invade anywhere else before he leaves office. "Trust me guys.. once we invade Iran everything else will fall into place!"

[JeffL]

Jesus, much ado about nothing. I cant believe people actually think this country would elect anything OTHER than a white, male president.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by highsider

I don't like Hilary, but I thought the the job of an elected official is to "change position with popular consensus".


I'm a little worried that she will get the nomination, and maybe even win, based off her recent proclamation that she will end the war immediately if she is elected.

well you'd be dead wrong, black people would still be slaves and woman wouldnt be voting

[bigred875]

I think we need an amendment that says no more Clintons or Bushes can be in office

haha me too!

I pretty firmly believe there is a large segment of the Republican demographic which firmly believes women and minorities need to be kept in their place.

you can you seriously say that when most of the highest ranking political officials that are women and/or minorites are republican?

Why is Guiliani unelectable?

he is too liberal for the base....he'd never get the nomination for a chance to run

Romney is definitely unelectable due to his religion.

actually that isnt true...the religious right arent crazy about mormons but they would rather see someone that has faith in there then a secular...i havent heard any grips about his religion so far. IMO he is probably that most electable person mentioned in this thread. Whether he is good or not remains to be seen...i have little faith that any of these clones are any good...but atleast he's a republican

You know if Hillary claims she could end the war that fast why not

see that's the thing..if she thinks she could win by saying that...then she would say it lol but up until a couple of months ago she was still for the war...fortunately the media will give her a pass on that one though

as long as Bush manages to not invade anywhere else before he leaves office.

lol we'll i tend to agree with you based on the way he has handled this war....but it is irresponsible to ignore that threat

[Doc]

I thought I liked Gulianni. Then I found out he is anti gun (among other things) and decided against.

[highsider]

Originally Posted by Doc

I thought I liked Gulianni. Then I found out he is anti gun (among other things) and decided against.

Giuliani was a mayor. Its a pretty big leap from mayor to President.

Also, I don't recall him being any kind of standout mayor. He happened to be mayor during 9/11, which really doesn't qualify him to anything other than watch disasters.

[bigred875]

he was a good mayor...he did a lot to reduce crime and such... menino shoulda taken notes

[TheIglu]

Obama because he's not a politician as much as the others.

McCain because he tells it like it is.

Hillary because she is polar opposite of Bush.


That's how things are shaping up. Hillary is too far off of reality to make a President. If she wins it will because the country hates GW that much.

[richw]

I am not sure who I am for but

Giuliani did bring NYC back from the brink of death

Near bankruptcy
Zero growth
Street crime made anywhere unsafe
Cops looked the other way on anything

It had been referred to as the "Rotten Apple"

NYC police force is 40,000 virtually a small Army plus fire etc. Actually NYC makes for a very good executive training ground.

I think Rudy inherited the strict gun laws but I believe he instituted the you can have a gun in your own home just not carry.

Of course it can't compare to occasionally laying under Bubba while he thought about someone else.

[benVFR]

Why the heck do people want someone elected to a political office who isn't a Politician? That has never made any sense to me. (Rove pushed that message about Bush with great success obviously)

Being a politician is required to work the wheels of Government. Bush may not be that, but that's cause Cheney has been behind the scenes pulling levers for him the whole time. Almost no one seems to know how to do that more then Cheney.

If anything Hillary (or any other Democrat) saying the right thing at the right time just shows she knows at least something about politics. I'm sure it was deliberate.. most democrats shut up over the last few years leading up to last November's election.. and I think they did it on purpose for good reason. When you don't have enough votes to do anything you can only make yourself look extreme. Saying you're going to do something when you have no means to do it tends to just make you look worse.

That seems to be aside from the point though, most everyone regardless of their party bought the WMD line hook line and sinker. Some have admitted they screwed up, others have not.

BigRed, Romney may look like a Reagan clone and be whiter then white but I think you understimate the stigma that Mormons have to live with in many areas of the country. At one time the Mormons were hacking and slashing Christians who ventured too far into Utah and there is plenty of prejudice against them. I also think Romney has the same problem Kerry has.. hasn't done much and can't decide where he belongs. He's just always trying to climb the ladder rather then doing the job he currently holds.

[bigred875]

Why the heck do people want someone elected to a political office who isn't a Politician?

when i say that i mean they spend their career playing politics instead of making differnce... a la John Kerry

That seems to be aside from the point though, most everyone regardless of their party bought the WMD line hook line and sinker. Some have admitted they screwed up, others have not.

right...sorta. Here is the thing...there are 4 positions to take on the war...not 2 like the everyone wants you to believe.

-for the war for the rebuilding
-for the war against the rebuilding
-against the war for the rebuilding
-against the war against the rebuilding

I'd say atleast 90% of the people were for the initial invasion...which was the correct position at the time....and have since chagned their mind...myself included. That is not screwing up..you cannot change history...the infomation was there and the correct descision was made...there was nothing being sold and no one was hoodwinked...we had bad information. THE END

He's just always trying to climb the ladder rather then doing the job he currently holds.

while that is probably true...he is not alone, isnt this true for a lot of politicians?...seems to me it doesnt matter...his people will spin him into a saint..

still 2 years away though...he is running his campaign from MI so he'll pretty much be able to tell people what he wants and probably will not be held accountable...

this next election should be interesting...if the dems cant win i think it;s time to hang it up lol

[benVFR]

I totally disagree with you on the "4 positions" thing.

As far as I can tell everyone wants to rebuild. Since we broke it we should fix it.

The difference is some people realize rebuilding is impossible without stopping the violence. There are 2 camps currently.

1) The US is capable of stopping the violence
2) No amount of US troops or money is capable of stopping the violence.

As long as the violence continues the rebuilding cannot succeed. We're tilting at windmills. We need some kind of much more creative situation. This is of course an insanely hard problem to solve, far more difficult then actually invading a country. A vote to bring the troops home is a vote for trying to find a new solution. Even if it's just reduce the exposure our troops have and then try to "steer" the resulting Civil War in a direction we want by pulling a few strings here or there. Much like the way we fought in Afghanistan.

As far as being hoodwinked.. I think a lot of people WERE hoodwinked. We went into the war on faulty pretenses even if the overall sentiment was good.

[neuthunder]

I agree with having to stop the violence. it's a catch 22 over there... the poverty is definetly fueling the violence and the only way to stop poverty is to bring in business, but no one will invest in something that will probably be blown up a month after being built... agriculture is damn near impossible over there and oil doesnt provide a good base for jobs.

[Punjistick]

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[bigred875]

Originally Posted by benVFR

I totally disagree with you on the "4 positions" thing.

As far as I can tell everyone wants to rebuild. Since we broke it we should fix it.

The difference is some people realize rebuilding is impossible without stopping the violence. There are 2 camps currently.

1) The US is capable of stopping the violence
2) No amount of US troops or money is capable of stopping the violence.

As long as the violence continues the rebuilding cannot succeed. We're tilting at windmills. We need some kind of much more creative situation. This is of course an insanely hard problem to solve, far more difficult then actually invading a country. A vote to bring the troops home is a vote for trying to find a new solution. Even if it's just reduce the exposure our troops have and then try to "steer" the resulting Civil War in a direction we want by pulling a few strings here or there. Much like the way we fought in Afghanistan.

As far as being hoodwinked.. I think a lot of people WERE hoodwinked. We went into the war on faulty pretenses even if the overall sentiment was good.

i totally disagree with everything you have said here....and the comment is just a stupid talking point made up by the democrats. Informed people live in the real world, form are own opinions and understand situations are not black and white...