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Special comment: Condi goes too far - Countdown with Keith Olbermann - MSNBC.com (video on right)

thoughts?

I think this very well done and a well thought out/researched argument against our SoS recent Fox interview.

[neuthunder]

very well written, I like it

[richw]

Funniest thing he is the exact kind of whiny Pussy that Saddam would have his head on a pike.

I guess remedial left doesn't mention that he killed his own people and started two wars.

[TheIglu]

How many soldiers have we lost in Iraq? 3156 as of today. And counting with no end in sight.

I guess the snowblind right doesn't think that our lives or worth more than theirs.

And I guess it's alright for us to kill them, just not alright for their own people to.

I'd rather let themselves kill each other.

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Originally Posted by richw

Funniest thing he is the exact kind of whiny Pussy that Saddam would have his head on a pike.

I guess remedial left doesn't mention that he killed his own people and started two wars.

i think you missed the whole point in that segment ... it wasn't about the war persay, but more about the relationship that Rice made to WWII, which he was just trying to set the facts straight including the fact that if you are going to compare the two, then you have to do it 100%, including the fact that congress did infact revote after hitler was killed to decide what to do next.

[richw]

Did he have the desires of a Hitler and just not the tools ?

The ways i hears it that he was a fan of Stalin rather then Hitler.

I am a libertarian conservative draft dodger and believe the classic mistake all over is to let anyone other then the actual armed forces conduct a war or don't do it at all. No USA service person should ever die or be wounded because the USA government doesn't want to appear harsh.

Currently the sand monkeys have chosen violence over democracy so we should step back let them waste each other and when it quiets down then try to deal with the victor. Having our troops in the streets of Baghdad is stupid.

[bigred875]

ok, this is where i tune out

Here we go again! From springs spent trying to link Saddam Hussein to 9/11, to summers of cynically manipulated intelligence, through autumns of false patriotism, to winters of war, we have had more than four years of every cheap trick and every degree of calculated cynicism from this administration, filled with Three-Card Monte players.

more bullshit partisan talking points with half truths...if he was a real journalist he'd make his point with out sounding like a pompus ass....

But the longer Dr. Rice and these other pickpockets of a nation's goodness have walked among us, waving flags and slandering opponents and making true enemies — foreign and domestic — all hat and no cattle all the while, the overriding truth of their occupancy of our highest offices of state has only gradually become clear.

this guy is a whore who like to hear himself talk. "making true enemies — foreign and domestic" this is the only this of substance here....he may be right...but he is such an ass no moderate would listen to him, so he is talking for himself...and those that agree with him instead of trying to change minds..

Then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld thought he could equate those who doubted him with Nazi appeasers, without reminding anybody that the actual, historical Nazi appeasers in this country in the 1930s were the Republicans.

rummy's gone...maybe a little later then we wanted..but he is gone and not relevant anymore...can we move on?

Vice President Cheney thought he could talk as if he and he alone knew the “truth” about Iraq and 9/11, without anyone ever noticing that even the rest of the administration officially disagreed with him.

more talking points. Cheney has always been clear on this subject...no direct relation, but they are on the same team as Al-Qeda

The president really acted as if you could scare all of the people all of the time and not lose your soul — and your majority — as a result.

denying that there is clear threat in this day and age is reckless and irresponsible.

[benVFR]

BigRed didn't you violently support Rumsfeld for years here?

[bigred875]

ok, i take it this is what the hub-bub is about?

If Congress were now to revise the Iraq authorization, she said, out loud, with an adult present: "… it would be like saying that after Adolf Hitler was overthrown, we needed to change, then, the resolution that allowed the United States to do that, so that we could deal with creating a stable environment in Europe after he was overthrown." The secretary's résumé reads that she has a master’s degree and a Ph.D in political science. The interviewer should have demanded to see them, on the spot. Dr. Rice spoke 42 words. She may have made more mistakes in them than did the president in his State of the Union Address in 2003.

looks to me like they took a fragment of a sentence from her then criticized her grammar what was the context? What was the entire statement? and nothing like another shot at the president while you are at it..

this is all the democrats can do...they viciously pick apart everything republicans say any chance they get, infront of a camera and spew this partisan partisan crap that is almost always taken out of context. So the mass population of people that is either too busy or to lazy to fact check, hears this and/or reads the headlines of the globe or NY times and thinks the sky is falling. This doesnt help anyone, you are not trying to change peoples minds. I agree that is is time for change in Iraq...but the Democrats need to step up...and they are not. They have no new plan...it is the same old crap.... this is all hypothetical anyways...the democratic congress HAS NO PLAN! but they sure are good at bashing this administration arent they

There is, obviously, no mistaking Saddam Hussein for a human being. But nor is there any mistaking him for Adolf Hitler.

yet these are the same class of people comparing bush to hitler.....

Saddam Hussein was not Adolf Hitler. And George W. Bush is not Franklin D. Roosevelt — nor Dwight D. Eisenhower. He isn't even George H.W. Bush, who fought in that war.

more gratuitus bush bashing

The analogy is weak, and it instantly begs the question of why those of "The Greatest Generation" focused on Hitler and Hirohito, but our leaders seem to have ignored their vague parallels of today to instead concentrate on the Mussolinis of modern terrorism.

But in some, small, "You didn't fail, Junior, but you may need to go to summer school" kind of way, you can just make out that comparison.

i have no idea what he is talking about

But, Secretary Rice, overthrowing Saddam Hussein was akin to overthrowing Adolf Hitler? Are you kidding? Did you want to provoke the world's laughter?

are you kidding? she didnt say that at all...she was making an anology... nice way to twist the context of what she said

we're now an occupying force in Iraq. And if that's the way you see it, you damn well better come out and tell the American people so.

FINNALY!!! bottom, page 2..the point of this .... I agree with him..but he's a douchbag that no one but simliar minded people would ever listen too....so who cares if he is right when he can't get his point across to the people that matter....people of opposing view points

Twelve billion, 400 thousand dollars to stabilize all of Europe economically — to keep the next enemies of freedom, the Russians, out and democracy in! And how do you suppose that happened?

without democratic support thats how....and it is known that the democrats of that time are the republicans we have now.....the party died with JFK

"You can't keep the facts that fit your prejudices" now thats funny....the rest is more bitterness...

that guy is a tool...he's not a "news" guy...he is jon stewart on msnbc

[bigred875]

i actually agree with the point he was trying to make....but his delivery would not resonate with the people who could make a difference...the moderates and republicans.

this is a great example to show how blatantly partisan the media is in this country....the network guys just happen to be a bit more subtle.... You bring up fox news and talk radio all you want but what they do pales in comparison to everything else...

you want change? grow up and make your point like an adult.....these guys are supposed to be professionals

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by benVFR

BigRed didn't you violently support Rumsfeld for years here?

yup, things change......

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Do you ever watch the show ... his "special comments" are more how he feels about the subject ... and after he delivers the news in a less personal approach.

I do like his program, because maybe I think like him, or like his approach ... its informative, but has a certain entertainment value that some that you don't get elsewhere.

The first page was just a setup for his "rant" and not about the topic ...

Plus you said you agreed with him ... that's all that matters (=

[bigred875]

I have watched him...i like him at times but when he pulls this crap i get annoyed...lol

and yes i do agree with him....it is time for a change...whether that means pulling out or not...i dont know..i'm hoping smarter people then me so...