[ticket2ride]

Originally Posted by ChrisNoF4i

whaaaaat?

yeah.. some these girls flat out said that stuff to me. I was like WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?!> No that is not okay!? or Right!! I actually know a girl who's mom was a gold digger/psycho who tricked her husband/bf at the time into her pregnancy... and that's how this girl was brought into this planet haha. Needless to say, the father wants nothing to do with either of the two.

Stupid people... like i said!! LICENSE TO HAVE CHILDREN!!!!

[beet]

Originally Posted by rebelpacket

Guys who don't want kids... NSV's are cheap, and compared to traditional procedures, pretty painless.. If you don't want 'em, don't chance it.

If ya want to love use a glove

[rebelpacket]

Originally Posted by beet

If ya want to love use a glove

My girlfriend and I have been together for awhile, and we both don't want kids. Over the years, it'd cost more in gloves than for a simple surgery.

[SSearchVT]

Originally Posted by rebelpacket

My girlfriend and I have been together for awhile, and we both don't want kids. Over the years, it'd cost more in gloves than for a simple surgery.

If the two of you are committed to staying together for the rest of your lives (marriage, long term relationship, what ever) - more power to you both for realizing that you don't have to have kids. I know a lot of couples that don't have children and are very happy. However - a lot changes after your early 20's - think long and hard before going a surgical route.

[richw]

All women lie or are wrong about kids

age 30 the child alarm will sound

age 35 when it getting dicey...tragedy is the medicos inform them at this point they are 1/5 likely to spawn then in their early 20's.

Its why they are on the planet so even their opinion at this point is meaningless

Also time to grow up yourself you selfish git

[Josephd14]

Don't worry the rest of us will procreate and continue the planet, Don't knock people who have kids, if everyone thought like you, none of us would be here..

[rebelpacket]

Originally Posted by josephd14

Don't worry the rest of us will procreate and continue the planet, Don't knock people who have kids, if everyone thought like you, none of us would be here..

No worries man. I hear you, someone out there has to raise responsible, respectful, members of society. Just don't knock us, 'cause we pay for your kids too.

[ftrain]

Originally Posted by ticket2ride

LOL there's many out there that love popping out children.. that won't be difficult to find if that's the only thing you're lookin for LOL but i'm sure that's not.. and you want more than a baby making machine

I do want to have a baby making machine.

[beet]

Originally Posted by SSearchVT

If the two of you are committed to staying together for the rest of your lives (marriage, long term relationship, what ever) - more power to you both for realizing that you don't have to have kids. I know a lot of couples that don't have children and are very happy. However - a lot changes after your early 20's - think long and hard before going a surgical route.

+ 1 Al You will get fat & stay home more.

[Josephd14]

Originally Posted by rebelpacket

Just don't knock us, 'cause we pay for your kids too.

??? I work my ass off, I pay for my kids..

[beet]

I agree with Rich

Originally Posted by richw

All women lie or are wrong about kids

age 30 the child alarm will sound

age 35 when it getting dicey...tragedy is the medicos inform them at this point they are 1/5 likely to spawn then in their early 20's.

Its why they are on the planet so even their opinion at this point is meaningless

Also time to grow up yourself you selfish git

[ticket2ride]

Originally Posted by richw

All women lie or are wrong about kids

age 30 the child alarm will sound

age 35 when it getting dicey...tragedy is the medicos inform them at this point they are 1/5 likely to spawn then in their early 20's.

Its why they are on the planet so even their opinion at this point is meaningless

Also time to grow up yourself you selfish git

this directed towards me? If so.. I don't think it's selfish to think that due to several people being so ignorant and uneducated and also irresponsible about pregnancy.. it's lead up to god knows how many kids having to suffer a crap life b/c their parents neglected to think in advance to see if they truely could provide a good life for their child and the childs future.

If that's selfish then I'm really not sure what there is to say. I suppose to each their own.

All I'm saying is, people should consider the child they're about to bring to the planet before going all baby crazy. If they've got a stabile life where they are atleast living comfortably if not, better. Also.. a secure career etc.. all these key elements be set.. then I think they'd be all set to having a kid. It takes a lot of responsibility and it would make life a heck of a lot more easier if all these other priorities were straightend out... Atleast that's how I see it. I hate seeing or hearing about kids who don't even have enough to eat b/c their mother is a teen if that and has no job and pretty much has nothing.. IF you can't support yourself , how do you suppose you're going to be able to support another life!??

but again to each their own

[MissTwisties]

Originally Posted by ticket2ride

this directed towards me? If so.. I don't think it's selfish to think that due to several people being so ignorant and uneducated and also irresponsible about pregnancy.. it's lead up to god knows how many kids having to suffer a crap life b/c their parents neglected to think in advance to see if they truely could provide a good life for their child and the childs future.

If that's selfish then I'm really not sure what there is to say. I suppose to each their own.

All I'm saying is, people should consider the child they're about to bring to the planet before going all baby crazy. If they've got a stabile life where they are atleast living comfortably if not, better. Also.. a secure career etc.. all these key elements be set.. then I think they'd be all set to having a kid. It takes a lot of responsibility and it would make life a heck of a lot more easier if all these other priorities were straightend out... Atleast that's how I see it. I hate seeing or hearing about kids who don't even have enough to eat b/c their mother is a teen if that and has no job and pretty much has nothing.. IF you can't support yourself , how do you suppose you're going to be able to support another life!??

but again to each their own

Money and a career are not the only things you need in order to have a child, love them, raise them well and be a good parent. I didn't have any of this when I got pregnant ($$$ or a career), and I didn't think twice when I knew I was pregnant with my first daughter, I knew I always wanted to have children and I was ready for them. My daughters are the world to me. Even when I was a student in College after leaving the father of my oldest, I always found a way to provide for my daughter (long time ago, before my second one was born), without child support. When you love your kids, you do whatever you have to do, and everything will be ok. Some people wait for the big career, the house, the $$ before having kids...and sometimes life have other plans...what if these things never come for various reasons...then they end up much older, and find that getting pregnant/having kids at a certain age is much more difficult...

License to have children? Who would decide/judge who is to have the right to procreate? Based on what criterias? Money, career, house, etc.? Psychological evaluation? What you based who is "normal" or not to have children...being "normal" is all relative...lol Just playing devil's advocate here...

Fact is, there has always been bad parents, 10-50-100-1000 years ago. There will always be. Let's just hope for now there is much more good/decent parents than bad...

[ticket2ride]

Originally Posted by MissTwisties

Be carefull here Tiffany....money and a career are NOT the only things you need in order to have a child, love them, raise them well and be a good parent. I didn't have any of this when I got pregnant ($$$ or a career), and I didn't think twice when I knew I was pregnant with my first daughter, I knew I always wanted to have children and I was ready for them. My daughters are the world to me. Even when I was a student in College after leaving the father of my oldest, I always found a way to provide for my daughter (long time ago, before my second one was born), without child support. When you love your kids, you do whatever you have to do, and everything will be ok. Some people wait for the big career, the house, the $$ before having kids...and sometimes life have other plans...what if these things never come for various reasons...then they end up much older, and find that getting pregnant/having kids at a certain age is much more difficult...

License to have children? Who would decide/judge who is to have the right to procreate? Based on what criterias? Money, career, house, etc.? Psychological evaluation? What you based who is "normal" or not to have children...being "normal" is all relative...lol Just playing devil's advocate here...

Fact is, there has always been bad parents, 10-50-100-1000 years ago. There will always be. Let's just hope for now there is much more good/decent parents than bad...

ah.. that is very true.. i suppose i never really thought about things like that and got too caught up with some other aspects. but I have to say that I do agree with you on that..

as for the license thing.. I suppose I don't mean that literally.. Just meaning that some people really should not have children. And you know what kind of people I am talking about.

Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to

[MissTwisties]

No offense taken here....

[richw]

Tiffany

not directed to you but to Rebelpackets proposed snip snip

Believe me there are many things that humans do where they are convinced of 1 thing and then sometime later it is completely reversed

Love , kids, hobbies

The modern problem is that the Medico's and hollyweird convince people you can delay kids till like 40. For 49 out of 50 this is total bullshit.

The quality of eggs drop off markedly by 33 years old. That is the tipping point. So think real hard at 30 cause tick tock tick tock.

Note you can for midlin $ now save both eggs and embryos so if your on the fence its good insurance. Then a 40 year old oven still bakes a good cookie.

If not do what we did and go shopping at the DCF

[MissTwisties]

Originally Posted by richw

Tiffany

not directed to you but to Rebelpackets proposed snip snip

Believe me there are many things that humans do where they are convinced of 1 thing and then sometime later it is completely reversed

Love , kids, hobbies

The modern problem is that the Medico's and hollyweird convince people you can delay kids till like 40. For 49 out of 50 this is total bullshit.

The quality of eggs drop off markedly by 33 years old. That is the tipping point. So think real hard at 30 cause tick tock tick tock.

Note you can for midlin $ now save both eggs and embryos so if your on the fence its good insurance. Then a 40 year old oven still bakes a good cookie.

If not do what we did and go shopping at the DCF

+1...

[Josephd14]

Originally Posted by richw

Note you can for midlin $ now save both eggs and embryos so if your on the fence its good insurance. Then a 40 year old oven still bakes a good cookie.

Kinda takes the fun outa it, eh Rich??

[rebelpacket]

Reversals of NSV's are at around 60-70% nowadays. They cost a good amount of money too, so you'd have to be pretty dead set on having kids to get "un-snipped".

I'm in awe of "good parents". I'm too selfish to raise kids. I don't know how anyone could be that selfless, and still smile under the financial strain and pressure of the task. Giving your kids good values, leading by example, providing for your kids, all while trying to secure your own future is just something I don't know how people can do without going crazy, which is exactly why I went to my doctor.

josephd14, I have no doubt you work real hard for your family! My point was that most of the taxes I pay at a higher rate than you for, go twards your children. Schools, school buses, etc etc. Its cool, because your kids will be running the country when I'm shittin' my pants! Its re-assuring to know that there are still a few good parents left out there!

[Josephd14]

Originally Posted by rebelpacket

josephd14, I have no doubt you work real hard for your family! My point was that most of the taxes I pay at a higher rate than you for, go twards your children. Schools, school buses, etc etc. Its cool, because your kids will be running the country when I'm shittin' my pants! Its re-assuring to know that there are still a few good parents left out there!

Sorry to get worked up, Guess I took it the wrong way.. You never hear alott about the good parents out there that do great things for there children, i.e. work hard, spend time teaching good examples, morals and being with there children, all you ever hear about are the bad parents, and unfortunetly there is no shortage.. What I ment about you not paying for my kids, When my son is of age (next year) he will go to private school, as will my daughter after this year.. I have little to no faith in public schools anymore, but thats another Contraversial Topic.. I'm stuck in the same boat as you paying for other kids to go to school as well as mine, with no tax break, but thats by my choice so I can't bitch.. As someone who had children at a young age (17) I made a promise that I would never be on welfair or let someone else pick up the tab for my children, It was not easy to keep that promise, nor is it easy to this day..

[Dianne]

This story has so many twists and turns I don't even think I can keep up anymore.

We got a hold of a lawyer and according to NH state law, my sister, my mother, her father (we have different fathers), the baby's father and HIS parents ALL have to sign off on an adoption. That's six signatures. Three of which are not willing to sign off... being the baby's father and his parents.

This kid is barely 17, I don't know how he intends on taking care of this responsibility but I suppose I shouldn't judge.

I was 20 and the Man God was 17 when I got pregnant with our little one. The Man God did everything a man should do and worked his ass off to provide for his daughter, and still does, 11 years later. I just don't have faith that this guy is going to do the same.

Meanwhile, my sister thinks she is going to work things out with this guy and everyone is going to live happily ever after. Her friends are telling her they have bottles, clothes, etc. for her but her parents tell her that if she brings that stuff home, they are going to throw it out.

I just don't know anymore. That houehold wasn't fit for me as a kid and thankfully the state intercepted. It sure as hell isn't fit for a baby, not even the 14 year old child carrying it.

[richw]

Just tell them you will be the hard ass for your
niece/nephew and will rat them out as soon as the care
prenatal or further is not up to par...Like Tuesday

Also check NH law on Rape. Some states its just a Minor so he is guilty... which should help persuade him and them to sign off.

Or RUN AWAY and take care of your Babies

[TheIglu]

My woman has 250 kids that she gets to give back to their parents at the end of the day. At this point we have a solid 5 years to change our minds about kids, but we're content for the time being with us just being us. We have a cat too. She's dumb.

I'm not a fan of kids when I have to act a certain way around them. If they were my own, I'd probably be more open to the idea of kids. For the time being, I like being able to go for a ride, spend money on useless bike shit, go out to dinner without ruining the meals of everyone around us at a nice establishment, sleep in, stay up late, etc etc etc.

Adoption may be in our best interest years down the road, but not yet.

I still can't see how people feel comfortable having children so young. Maybe back in the day where you could graduate from high school (or not) and buy a house of your own by the time you are 18. Things don't work that way anymore. Pay scales haven't kept up with housing prices and life expenses. I couldn't comfortably provide for someone else right now and couldn't for a while. I'm fine with that but it also means bikes go bye-bye if we ever squirt out an offspring in the near future. No thanks....

Doesn't matter anyways, I probably got no seeds in the gravy from all the 10 degree rides on the bike when I was 16 with no proper gear.

[richw]

A cold good hot is bad

The not so secret is that there must be genes that turn on when you get kids.
So you like it when it happens.

The women it really isn't an option. Don't believe what they say
they are wrong

[TheIglu]

No, I don't think them being 'that' cold was good. My soldiers were like little Nazi's waiting to attack Moscow in the winter of '44. They died.