[vfr99999]

I can speak from experiance. My daughter was almost killed and is disfigured from a bull mastif. It has been 20 yrs since it happened so I can share with you that the pain both inside and out for my daughter lasts a lifetime. A gun needs an owner to fire it. A dog can act alone. The dog that attacked her was of middle age and had never attacked before and The owners assured my wife he was great with kids. I could tell you all the tales people have told me of all the good dogs that killed people with no warning. Alot of dog owners forget that some breeds have a littlr more of the wild still deep in their nature. More guns and less aggressive dogs are a good thing. Most not all owners of these breeds have them as a "look at me I have this powerful dog DO NOT MESS WITH ME". Belive me the risk is not worth it.

[LaRNZ]

i have a 60lb pit, and the vets call her mrs.poodle, because she thinks she is a lap dog, and probably has no idea she is a pit, and she was a stray we found with no tags and we took her, gets along great with our other dog

[trickphoto]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...for_pit_bulls/

[SVRACER01]

"I think they should ban them not only in Massachusetts, but in the US, period," she said. "Some family's going to experience worse than what I've experienced."

fuck this bitch.

i feel sorry for her/her kid, but if her kid was attacked by a poodle would she be pushing for a ban on them?

[McBiggity]

your dogs are vicious Oxx,
i have proof.

that was right before she tried to lick the phone out of my hand. I'm scarred for life!

[SVRACER01]

she thought it was edible seems like everyone has pics of our dogs. some lady brought us a picture she had taken of Buster the first race weekend

[vfr99999]

I just love these responses. None of you have seen the nice dog go off.As my original post The dog never did any attacking before in its life until he attacked my daughter without any provocation. These emails of my dog would never do that or my dog would lick the phone proves the point that people that have these dogs are clueless as to the hidden danger these breeds can kill and maim. Most weapons need a person to trigger or use. A dog acts itself. In hindsight I should have taked their house and all assets. Belive me your cute dog could cause you to lose more than your idea that your dog is harmless.

[SVRACER01]

dont be an ignorant fucktard! singling out a single BREED is wrong. period. singling out a breed is just a different form of racism.

i am fully aware of the possibility of ANY dog attacking. hell i can hang my cat upside down by one foot and toss her across the room. or hold her while we shave her neck for her collar. but it took 3 people to hold her down for a check up. shes 5 lbs.

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by McBiggity

YOU tell her shes dangerous

maybe its you whose dangerous and not her
maybe youre just a bad owner
maybe youre just not a dog person

[McBiggity]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I just love these responses. None of you have seen the nice dog go off.As my original post The dog never did any attacking before in its life until he attacked my daughter without any provocation. These emails of my dog would never do that or my dog would lick the phone proves the point that people that have these dogs are clueless as to the hidden danger these breeds can kill and maim. Most weapons need a person to trigger or use. A dog acts itself. In hindsight I should have taked their house and all assets. Belive me your cute dog could cause you to lose more than your idea that your dog is harmless.

fuck off.
nothing more to say

[vfr99999]

Showing your intellect punk

[SVRACER01]

send my dogs? talk about showing intellect. its not my fault that youre an idiot. you dont like dogs? then shut the fuck up. youre basing your "knowledge" on one unfortunate incident. my brothers boston terrier bit me in the face last year but im not telling everyone they should ban boston terriers. im sorry that a very large dog bit your daughter, thats very unfortunate for her/you, but dont sit there and try to preach that "these breeds" can hurt. ALL BREEDS CAN HURT. my brothers dog weighs 20 lbs. is he dangerous too? you "think" there was no provocation but apparently that dog thought otherwise. i dont have these dogs as a "look at me and my powerful dog" i have them because they are great dogs. they are obidient, loyal, friendly, and beautiful.

you should have stopped posting at #4

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

Most not all owners of these breeds have them as a "look at me I have this powerful dog DO NOT MESS WITH ME".

these people that have dogs for this reason are the ones who treat their dogs like shit which is what makes them aggressive dogs. it all depends on how you treat the dog. any dog can be aggressive. what are you gonna do? ban ALL dogs?

[vfr99999]

I cannnot belive these replies. FIrst let me say that this board states no personal attacks will be tolerated. Read above at the profanity. In my post I wanted to share a parents story of what happened to one of my children so some understanding of the reasoning behind why people are going for measures to protect against attacks. I personally do not advocate banning Dogs, guns etc. It is no mystery that certain breeds attack more often than others and swearing at someone will not change that. I do advocate personal responsibillity, an owner should be in control of his pet. I asked myself why the insults my posts did not merit such verbage. I have some experiance with people that feel so strongly about their pets because they have them to replace having kids so the pet means alot more than my pets mean to me . This is all I can come up with for the nasty replies. I am for less not more goverment so I would never vote for a law banning any dogs.

[trickphoto]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

Showing your intellect punk

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I should have taked their house and all assets

[trickphoto]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

It is no mystery that certain breeds attack more often than others

Cite please?

[rebelpacket]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I cannnot belive these replies. FIrst let me say that this board states no personal attacks will be tolerated. Read above at the profanity. In my post I wanted to share a parents story of what happened to one of my children so some understanding of the reasoning behind why people are going for measures to protect against attacks. I personally do not advocate banning Dogs, guns etc. It is no mystery that certain breeds attack more often than others and swearing at someone will not change that. I do advocate personal responsibillity, an owner should be in control of his pet. I asked myself why the insults my posts did not merit such verbage. I have some experiance with people that feel so strongly about their pets because they have them to replace having kids so the pet means alot more than my pets mean to me . This is all I can come up with for the nasty replies. I am for less not more goverment so I would never vote for a law banning any dogs.

I agree, a pet owner should be responsible for their dogs. Oxx, myself and many of the other dog owners at the track and elsewhere always have their dogs on a leash. Their in our control at all times. Your statement that "It is no mystery that certain breeds attack more often than others and swearing at someone will not change that" however, is false. Pitbulls, of all dogs we bred from the beginning of their breed to be without human violence. Many "working" dogs go the same route. In the old days, working dogs that showed human aggression we're killed. A dog that shows aggression towards humans has been previous abused, or trained in a ill manner. A jack-russel, poodle, or any dog can show human aggression from ill treatment, abuse, or any number of things. Every puppy is a blank slate. Sure, dogs can snap just like people. In society we call the person "crazy" if they shoot 15 people in a school. Apparently if a "big dog" attacks someone, its always the dogs fault, and no fault lies with the owner.

Children have a odd effect to dogs sometimes. My dog acts a little "weird" around them, so I limit her interaction with children to people and parents I know. The first race weekend, I had Lola on a leash, and some kid was teasing her. She eventually started barking at him after he jumped up to her and went "boo!". I told the kid to knock it off, and his father get irate with me. Other people could see that as a mis-tempered dog. I see it as a dog who is on a leash (vulnerable) being antagonized by an unfamiliar scent (the kid) while around her master (me). While a kid see's that as playful, I see it as a dangerous situation. Dog's don't use the same logic we do, and its important to remember that.

[rebelpacket]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I just love these responses. None of you have seen the nice dog go off.As my original post The dog never did any attacking before in its life until he attacked my daughter without any provocation. These emails of my dog would never do that or my dog would lick the phone proves the point that people that have these dogs are clueless as to the hidden danger these breeds can kill and maim. Most weapons need a person to trigger or use. A dog acts itself. In hindsight I should have taked their house and all assets. Belive me your cute dog could cause you to lose more than your idea that your dog is harmless.

Guess what. Your kid can grow up, buy a weapon, walk into a school and kill half his class. Since he COULD do it, and you fit the stereotype of the type of family that would happen to, we'd like to have your kid home schooled. You know, to save the rest of us. You've never seen a perfectly nice kid snap have you? Straight-A's, good grades, but can't take it and walks into school the next day with a glock 23, and opens up!

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by trickphoto

Cite please?

no kidding.

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I cannnot belive these replies.

really? i cant imagine why

Originally Posted by vfr99999

Read above at the profanity.

profanity is allowed here

Originally Posted by vfr99999

In my post I wanted to share a parents story of what happened to one of my children so some understanding of the reasoning behind why people are going for measures to protect against attacks.

im sorry that happened to your daughter. you cant predict dog attacks. and you are basing your opinions on one event

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I personally do not advocate banning Dogs

it doesnt sound that way

Originally Posted by vfr99999

It is no mystery that certain breeds attack more often than others

id like to see that proof. its IS true that certain breeds get more publicity when they attack than others.

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I do advocate personal responsibillity, an owner should be in control of his pet.

agree

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I asked myself why the insults my posts did not merit such verbage. I have some experiance with people that feel so strongly about their pets because they have them to replace having kids so the pet means alot more than my pets mean to me . This is all I can come up with for the nasty replies.

yes. my dogs DO mean a lot to me. if your dogs dont mean that much to you than maybe you shouldnt be a dog owner. dogs are not children but they are similar in ways. they are both products of thier environment and they are both family members

[rjh200]

Originally Posted by vfr99999

I can speak from experiance. My daughter was almost killed and is disfigured from a bull mastif. It has been 20 yrs since it happened so I can share with you that the pain both inside and out for my daughter lasts a lifetime. A gun needs an owner to fire it. A dog can act alone. The dog that attacked her was of middle age and had never attacked before and The owners assured my wife he was great with kids. I could tell you all the tales people have told me of all the good dogs that killed people with no warning. Alot of dog owners forget that some breeds have a littlr more of the wild still deep in their nature. More guns and less aggressive dogs are a good thing. Most not all owners of these breeds have them as a "look at me I have this powerful dog DO NOT MESS WITH ME". Belive me the risk is not worth it.

First Point. I chose this post to respond to and not one of the ones after because they were going in the wrong direction.

Second I would like to say I am sorry for the pain that your family suffered.

Now for the main poing. You speak with ignorance, notice I did not say you are ignorant I said you speak with ignorance. You are saying a breed should be banned and yet the dog you cite as attacking your daughter is not even a Pit Bull. Yes they have similar bloodlines but it is not what is generally considered a pitbull.

Next a dog does not attack without reason or warning. So to say it was not provoked is again ignorace of dogs. You might not have noticed the signs or you might not be the cause of what provoked them but they WILL NOT ATTACK FOR NO REASON.

Now this is what we need to address:

Most not all owners of these breeds have them as a "look at me I have this powerful dog DO NOT MESS WITH ME". Belive me the risk is not worth it.

The problem is the hands that these dogs end up in. They are not raised in a loving and nurturing home that treats them as part of the family. Plus the numbers that these dogs are being breed in by the wrong people. If you looked at the numbers as a percentage of number of attacks per the number of dogs of that breed, there are just as many attacks by labs and German Shepards.

Now before you come back asking what I know let me give you some facts.
Raising/Training dogs for 20+ years (Since I was 9)
Fostor home for dogs (Specifically for Pitts for a while)
I have owned and trained a number of pits.
I have volunteered in a shelter
I have been bitten or attacked by multiple dogs (Comes with the territory when taking care of abused dogs, note not one was a pit.) all of which I could pinpoint what action I did or did not do that provoked them.

I have done significant research about dogs and particularly around Pitts and how to work with them. So I would be happy to answer any questions or concerns you have about the breed.

[ChrisNoF4i]

In my neck of the woods, we don't ban them - we shoot them.

Pit bull killed, another wounded after attack on Officer Fucktard

What a douche. Talk about handling the situation wrong.

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by rjh200

First Point. I chose this post to respond to and not one of the ones after because they were going in the wrong direction.

Second I would like to say I am sorry for the pain that your family suffered.

Now for the main poing. You speak with ignorance, notice I did not say you are ignorant I said you speak with ignorance. You are saying a breed should be banned and yet the dog you cite as attacking your daughter is not even a Pit Bull. Yes they have similar bloodlines but it is not what is generally considered a pitbull.

Next a dog does not attack without reason or warning. So to say it was not provoked is again ignorace of dogs. You might not have noticed the signs or you might not be the cause of what provoked them but they WILL NOT ATTACK FOR NO REASON.

Now this is what we need to address:


The problem is the hands that these dogs end up in. They are not raised in a loving and nurturing home that treats them as part of the family. Plus the numbers that these dogs are being breed in by the wrong people. If you looked at the numbers as a percentage of number of attacks per the number of dogs of that breed, there are just as many attacks by labs and German Shepards.

Now before you come back asking what I know let me give you some facts.
Raising/Training dogs for 20+ years (Since I was 9)
Fostor home for dogs (Specifically for Pitts for a while)
I have owned and trained a number of pits.
I have volunteered in a shelter
I have been bitten or attacked by multiple dogs (Comes with the territory when taking care of abused dogs, note not one was a pit.) all of which I could pinpoint what action I did or did not do that provoked them.

I have done significant research about dogs and particularly around Pitts and how to work with them. So I would be happy to answer any questions or concerns you have about the breed.

amen

[Josephd14]

And to add Fuel to the fire....
wbztv.com - Rottweilers Attack School Children In Falmouth

[SVRACER01]

i wouldnt make any assumptions. kids teasing dog through fence is just as much of a possibility here. again. certain breeds get more publicity than others