[Doc]

Originally Posted by richw

God bless the troops but

49000 Americans died last year in traffic accidents
4800 motorcyclists
17000 were killed in accidents where alcohol was involved.

Where is the bleeding heart hand wringing about that

The terrorist know they have to win in Iraq or just become some disorganized mob. If they chase you out of Iraq then they become a world wide political force.... and Muslims outnumber us 10 to 1

Guess what cosy liberals... who was the 1st noteworthy victim of Jihad
Robert Kennedy by Siran Siran

Lefty knee jerk anti military is a pathetic echo left over from your KGB founders. You don't care what happens to Army guys and there isn't a draft so just shut up and let them do their work and I wish all politicians would but out. Give them the mission and let go the dogs of war.

Great point Rich (about the had wringing). Sorry I am coming into this late fellas.

Iraq is no longer a country but a battle ground. Every Tom, Dick and Harry that has it out for the US is there trying to get a piece. It has to be fought somewhere (yes it HAS to be fought) and it is better to do it in that godforsaken land. All the resources or going into that battle. Making it in effective anywhere else.

Mark my words. We will have permanent bases there just like Korea and Germany.

I have to go clean my weapon now.

[tonyd]

Doc can you help us civi's understand what is really going on in Iraq?

Edit- Your 2nd post answered the question, thanks.

[highsider]

Doc, I love ya brother, but you are out of your fucking mind. Need I remind you that you are not the only person on this site to visit Iraq in war time, yet you ARE the only one blindly supporting this disaster of a war.

The "liberal media" is almost as non-existant as your "silent majority". I would agree that deomgraphically, many people involved in the media are liberals, but overall the media has been very, very kind to the Bush administration due the choke-hold Karl Rove has on Bush's appearances.

Seriously dude, I understand you are a member of the military, and I thank you for that, but that does not mean you are the only person with an informed opinion on the subject and its quite ridiculous of you to imply so.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by highsider

Doc, I love ya brother, but you are out of your fucking mind. Need I remind you that you are not the only person on this site to visit Iraq in war time, yet you ARE the only one blindly supporting this disaster of a war.

The "liberal media" is almost as non-existant as your "silent majority". I would agree that deomgraphically, many people involved in the media are liberals, but overall the media has been very, very kind to the Bush administration due the choke-hold Karl Rove has on Bush's appearances.

Seriously dude, I understand you are a member of the military, and I thank you for that, but that does not mean you are the only person with an informed opinion on the subject and its quite ridiculous of you to imply so.

this thread make my hair hurt...it is like we entered bizarro world where everything is backwards....

he isnt the only one..
there is a liberal biased media...if you cannot see it, y ou do not want to
he is not the only one with an informed opinion.....but one of the only ones posting in this thread

[Doc]

i'd post more but this is from phone and it will have to wait.
2 points though...
1. as the only one on nesr over there right now i'd like to hear whar spence has to say. if you won't listen to me, at least listen to him.
2. there is a reason I leave this shit on the forums and don't bring it up face to face.


more tomorrow.

[TheIglu]

Originally Posted by DaSpence

Thank you

Before doing anything now there is such a long mental check list you have to go through to make sure in the end you dont get screwed for your actions....A lot of soldiers die for not taking actions fast enough. When I first got to Iraq I was all about making a difference and quickly I learned that as soon as we get out of here its just going to go back to the way it was....Its all for nothing IMO

http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...akey-iraq.html

[highsider]

Originally Posted by Doc

i'd post more but this is from phone and it will have to wait.
2 points though...
1. as the only one on nesr over there right now i'd like to hear whar spence has to say. if you won't listen to me, at least listen to him.

Well, I think Clayton has that covered pretty well. But even if Spence didn't feel that way, there are thousands of others who do. Are they all wrong too? Because they disagree with the supreme opinion of the almighty Doc, knower and see-er of all since he wears camoflauge?

Originally Posted by Doc

2. there is a reason I leave this shit on the forums and don't bring it up face to face.

If the reason is what I think it is, you're a douche. But I'll wait for the "more tomorrow" part of the almighty I'm in the Army Gospel of Doc.

[bigred875]

ok enough of this crap...you are both right....seriously, 2 different world views......it doesnt matter if you agree with what is going on or not......it is going on, it is going wrong and it needs to be fixed.....

someone needs to make a decision and go with it......at this point i dont care if it is cut and run or drop the bomb....but i think it has to be one or the other....nothing in between will work...atleast not from what i can tell....

[richw]

The terrorists in the name of Allah

They want to kill

Your Mother
Your Children
Your Dad
Your significant other straight gay whatever

They want YOU dead they want me Dead

Liberal, conservative democrat or republican...dead

they even want different flavors of Muslims dead.

This serpent must be killed and its ashes scattered and then maybe it will send the remnants into hiding for another 1000 years.

Note by then we should be off this planet and they can have it
except of course Vermont which will be spared all bad things because they are pure of intentions.

To the guys over their especially Spence
Everyone of them you kill at least saved some lives there or here.

[highsider]

What, no more of the all-knowing Doc's opinion? We plebians who know nothing because we dont wear a uniform simply *must* hear more of his drivel......

[Doc]

Hey Chris, :

I apologize for your perception of my comments.

I firmly believe that the masses are fed drivel by the media, sure you can form an opinion but what kind of opinion is it with biased one sided information.

As Spence said, our hands are tied, but why? Because we are "better than them"? Because we are taking responsiability for our actions when they do not. It is a protracted war (turning into another Vietnam). Popular opinion is formed by the masses because of what they are told, the political machine ALWAYS bashes the incumbant....

I have to get back to class....

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by Doc

Hey Chris, :

I apologize for your perception of my comments.

I firmly believe that the masses are fed drivel by the media, sure you can form an opinion but what kind of opinion is it with biased one sided information.

As Spence said, our hands are tied, but why?..

because of the aforementioned liberal media...thats why....then the masses pick up on headlines and news tickers and think they are informed....

[highsider]

Originally Posted by Doc

Hey Chris, :

I apologize for your perception of my comments.

Wow, what a condescending, half-assed, bullshit apology. Any reasonable person would interpret your asshole comments the way I did; you clearly believe that since you are in the military, you are the only one who hs an informed opinion. Yet you ignore the fact that many, many people in the miltary share my opinion.

When you're ready to debate things like an adult, shoot me a PM and I'll take you off my ignore list.

[highsider]

Originally Posted by bigred875

because of the aforementioned liberal media...thats why....then the masses pick up on headlines and news tickers and think they are informed....

You say the media has a liberal bias; I say they have a conservative bias. Prove me wrong.


P.S - I was a newspaper reporter for a year, and worked in the newsroom of a Hearst Media owned newspaper. I can tell you, first hand, the only bias a newspaper has is towards whatever looks best on the front page.

[bigred875]

look past the end of your nose and you will see it....it is all in their delivery, the amount of time they give certain topics/people/positions then others...i've proved this before..do your own homework. one of the most egregious is memogate

ps - being a small time reporter for a year gives you as much perspective on the media establishment as a private just out of boot camp has on Iraq.

[highsider]

Originally Posted by bigred875

look past the end of your nose and you will see it....it is all in their delivery, the amount of time they give certain topics/people/positions then others...i've proved this before..do your own homework. one of the most egregious is memogate

ps - being a small time reporter for a year gives you as much perspective on the media establishment as a private just out of boot camp has on Iraq.

Look past the end of my nose? Thats all you've got???

There are examples of the media showing bias in both directions. You proved it, Al Franken proved it. The smart people are the ones who learn to read several different news sources and base their opinions on the common facts therein.

PPS - Working at a "small time" newspaper ( Albany NY News - Times Union - Serving Albany, Saratoga, Schenectady, Troy ) gives me more perspective than you, who has never worked for the press.

[richw]

I swear I heard that 95% of metropolitan paper reporters etc were democrats

Highsider your better then that you know it has a liberal bias

87% of statistics are pulled out of my but

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by highsider

Look past the end of my nose? Thats all you've got???

There are examples of the media showing bias in both directions. You proved it, Al Franken proved it. The smart people are the ones who learn to read several different news sources and base their opinions on the common facts therein.

PPS - Working at a "small time" newspaper ( Albany NY News - Times Union - Serving Albany, Saratoga, Schenectady, Troy ) gives me more perspective than you, who has never worked for the press.

thats all i need...

please...bias in both directions? if thats the case it was by accident lol or maybe 7 years ago...

i have a good handle on a lot of these topics....it is plain as day when they leave out certain parts...emphasis others. Like when they speak in circles for several minutes about how bad the economy is and in a quick breath give the jobless percentage...and that percentage is lower then it has in 20 years...

if you were as informed as you say you are you would admit this....there are liberals who actually admit this..

ok so you have more perspective on how a newspapaer works...and that means what again?

[highsider]

Originally Posted by richw

I swear I heard that 95% of metropolitan paper reporters etc were democrats

Highsider your better then that you know it has a liberal bias

87% of statistics are pulled out of my but

As I said before in this thread, most reporters are democrats. Overwhelimingly so, in fact. However, most editors are Republicans.

Either way, I can assure you of this - ALL media is only interested in selling the juiciest story, so they can have the scoop and get more advertising dollars.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by highsider

As I said before in this thread, most reporters are democrats. Overwhelimingly so, in fact. However, most editors are Republicans.

Either way, I can assure you of this - ALL media is only interested in selling the juiciest story, so they can have the scoop and get more advertising dollars.

oh, i definately agree with that...which builds on my point.

whether they do it to promote their adgenda or to get ratings....they still do it.

[highsider]

Originally Posted by bigred875

thats all i need...

please...bias in both directions? if thats the case it was by accident lol or maybe 7 years ago...

i have a good handle on a lot of these topics....it is plain as day when they leave out certain parts...emphasis others. Like when they speak in circles for several minutes about how bad the economy is and in a quick breath give the jobless percentage...and that percentage is lower then it has in 20 years...

if you were as informed as you say you are you would admit this....there are liberals who actually admit this..

ok so you have more perspective on how a newspapaer works...and that means what again?

Its not a "liberal" bias.

Busting the President's balls makes for a juicier story. We have a Republican president at the moment, so it may appear liberal, but I really dont think it is. That doesn't make it right, but its how it is. Clinton got his share of ball-busting as well; think Monica Lewinsky, "shady" real estate deals, etc. Were the news sources guilty of "conservative bias" back then?

[tonyd]

I know I am setting myself up to be labels a mindless dem. drone here but...

If you think the media had a liberal bias between the period of 9/11/2001 and somewehere around June 2006 you must to lean so far to the right you need to piss outside for fear of missing the bowl.

While much of the media remained in "liberals" control they were either too scared or too dumb to ask questions about what the US was doing durring this time. It was ONLY once there was clear indication that the public was going to vote overwhelmingling to shit can every Rep. they could find in 2006before the media switched gears, almost overnight into the Bush / War bashing idiots they are today.

As someone who wanted very much to see those responsible for 9/11 to be caught and for nothing like that to happen again, I never have had a feeling the gov. or military knew who the fuck they were chasing. No matter in afganistan, iraq, or anywhere else. But they needed someone to blame and somewhere to fight and make us feel like the military could keep us safe from terrorist so off we went to iraq.

And while I see the point some have made that at least those who hate us have a place to go pick a fight in iraq that theory only puts other questions in my mind. If indeed iraq is keeping 1 terrorist from trying to attack america directly, don't you think it is also giving a reason for 10 new terrorist to see the US as an imperial tyrant? And who in the military signed up not to fight for the freedom of US citizens but to be a decoy, to be shot at, and ambushed endlessly with not a clue what the final objective is.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by highsider

Its not a "liberal" bias.

Busting the President's balls makes for a juicier story. We have a Republican president at the moment, so it may appear liberal, but I really dont think it is. That doesn't make it right, but its how it is. Clinton got his share of ball-busting as well; think Monica Lewinsky, "shady" real estate deals, etc. Were the news sources guilty of "conservative bias" back then?

please, the media did all but suck his cock

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by tonyd

I know I am setting myself up to be labels a mindless dem. drone here but...

If you think the media had a liberal bias between the period of 9/11/2001 and somewehere around June 2006 you must to lean so far to the right you need to piss outside for fear of missing the bowl.

While much of the media remained in "liberals" control they were either too scared or too dumb to ask questions about what the US was doing durring this time. It was ONLY once there was clear indication that the public was going to vote overwhelmingling to shit can every Rep. they could find in 2006before the media switched gears, almost overnight into the Bush / War bashing idiots they are today.

As someone who wanted very much to see those responsible for 9/11 to be caught and for nothing like that to happen again, I never have had a feeling the gov. or military knew who the fuck they were chasing. No matter in afganistan, iraq, or anywhere else. But they needed someone to blame and somewhere to fight and make us feel like the military could keep us safe from terrorist so off we went to iraq.

And while I see the point some have made that at least those who hate us have a place to go pick a fight in iraq that theory only puts other questions in my mind. If indeed iraq is keeping 1 terrorist from trying to attack america directly, don't you think it is also giving a reason for 10 new terrorist to see the US as an imperial tyrant? And who in the military signed up not to fight for the freedom of US citizens but to be a decoy, to be shot at, and ambushed endlessly with not a clue what the final objective is.

i dont think you are a mindless drone....

the media gave W a break on 9/11 right up to when the the first Iraqi civilian got killed.....

10 new terrorist to see the US as an imperial tyrant?

ok but here is the thing. The islamic extremists breed that into their people...whether it is true or not. When Saddam was in charge of Iraq the only newspaper, tv and radio that was allowed was what saddam approved...no satellite or internet The only information the people got was what he wanted them to hear. It is the same all over. We can't win either way and it is time to look at our interests first. Bush may be crazy but that part of the world would be a lot better if there were more democracies.....

You are not going to change their mind, richw is right, they won't stop until they set us back to the 4th century. The world is getting smaller and smaller everyday and those that can't play nice in the sandbox..get kicked out.

the smart ones will assimilate...fuck the rest of them

[highsider]

Originally Posted by bigred875

please, the media did all but suck his cock

How do you figure? They covered every single disgusting detail of Ken Starr's useless investigation, they gave him holy hell for bombing Afghanistan (I helped write one of the articles), and they covered all of the real estate whateverthefuckgate mess.

I guess this really just comes down to how you take what you read. Perception is 9/10th of reality.