[97BladeRider]

How about Roid King Barry Bond's new all-time home run record?

What a piece of shit!

from baseball!

[hammadown]

My favorite is from him interview afterward he said this record isw not tainted at all. Thanks Barry, you are very reliable source, now I believe your record is clean!

[highsider]

I dont pay much attention to baseball anymore, so I'm certainly not an authority, but I am confused by this whole thing.

My understanding is that Bonds took steroids earlier on in his career, and that this somehow taints his home run record. This confuses me. Babe Ruth, one of baseball's all-time greats, was purportedly a cokehead. Mickey Mantle was a drunk. Daryl Strawberry couldn't stay out of trouble for 10 minutes.

I realize that steroids are obviously a performance enhancer, but its certainly not as though he was the only one using them. And I assume he no longer does?

So....what is the big deal?

[97BladeRider]

The big deal is that Hank Aaron made his record without any performance enhancing drugs.

Bonds, on the other hand, hit a couple hundred while he was taking steroids. Not only that, he lied to a federal grand jury that he didn't know that the cream his personal trainer was giving him was a steroid. He also lied about taking injected steroids.

The lies alone should get him banned from the game. Hell, his trainer served time for distribution and even more for contempt for not turning players in.

[Uncle Snake]

Barry Bonds rookie card..................

[highsider]

Originally Posted by 97BladeRider

The big deal is that Hank Aaron made his record without any performance enhancing drugs.

Thats what I was missing....that makes a bunch more sense.

It really does cheapen the whole thing, doesn't it. What a shame.

[marshdrummer]

I believe his lieing is what should get him banned and keep his record tainted, but you still have to keep in mind, he hit 756 home runs over a long (15 years?) carrer. No performance enhancing drug could make you hit a baseball going 90+ mph on a daily basis with any accuracy, that's just talent. Even though I don't like the guy because of his lies, I still respect what he accomplished.

[bigred875]

i think the fuss about steroids is ridiculous. I see the point that the record is tainted and all but what about other performance enhancements?

take the legality of steroids away....it is more about the record then breaking the law...

what about the players that get lasik eye surgery....that wasnt around when hank aaron was.... what about the bionic elbow surgery or what ever it is that pitchers get that makes their elbow better then it was and makes them play better.

And all the other medical enhancements that keep the players playing for many more years then their previous generations..where do you draw the line? who draws the line?

Never mind the fact that people want to see big roid'd out guys knocking balls out of the park. Baseball was all but dead until McGuire and Sosa battled it out...

The fans want to see it, the owners want to see it because it fills the staduims and the players want to do it so they can become the next star...

it's all pretty hypocritical to me.....why is it any of anyones business what someone puts into their own body?

[bigred875]

if he lied to a grant jury he should go to jail like martha stewart

[slaps76]

Do you realize how many players are/were taking steroids? A LOT. Pitchers included. But because this is the "big" record, people are getting all kinds of pissed.

Plus it kills me how naive people were on this. It took McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds all to blow up 40 lbs each over a couple of years and start hitting 60-70 homeruns for people to realize there's steroids in baseball.

I really can't argue anybody's position on this...he obviously took roids, but on the other hand he is still one of the greatest hitters of all time.

Selig is the real shithead. If he implemented a steroid testing policy 10-15 years ago, then players would be taking steroids/beating tests like every other sport(esp.NFL), but the naive public wouldn't be bitching about anything. Now Selig is being a self-righteous douche about Bonds.

[636]

im not saying i like the guy,but......has he ever tested positive?



we will never know truthfully...

its all here say until he admits it.....

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by slaps76

Do you realize how many players are/were taking steroids? A LOT. Pitchers included. But because this is the "big" record, people are getting all kinds of pissed.

Plus it kills me how naive people were on this. It took McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds all to blow up 40 lbs each over a couple of years and start hitting 60-70 homeruns for people to realize there's steroids in baseball.

I really can't argue anybody's position on this...he obviously took roids, but on the other hand he is still one of the greatest hitters of all time.

Selig is the real shithead. If he implemented a steroid testing policy 10-15 years ago, then players would be taking steroids/beating tests like every other sport(esp.NFL), but the naive public wouldn't be bitching about anything. Now Selig is being a self-righteous douche about Bonds.

+1Steroids is not making barry bonds hit the ball any better...only farther....he would still be a pro player if he wasn't juicing...

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by 636

im not saying i like the guy,but......has he ever tested positive?



we will never know truthfully...

its all here say until he admits it.....

of course he was juicing...i really dont think that is a question...

[highsider]

Originally Posted by bigred875

i think the fuss about steroids is ridiculous. I see the point that the record is tainted and all but what about other performance enhancements?

what about the players that get lasik eye surgery....that wasnt around when hank aaron was.... what about the bionic elbow surgery or what ever it is that pitchers get that makes their elbow better then it was and makes them play better.

And all the other medical enhancements that keep the players playing for many more years then their previous generations..where do you draw the line? who draws the line?

Thats also a good point.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by highsider

Thats also a good point.

wait...you agree? i need to rethink my position

[Jaynnus]

Originally Posted by Uncle Snake

Barry Bonds rookie card..................

I was gone from the forum for a while, and I forgot how much you guys make me laugh!!

[636]

Originally Posted by bigred875

of course he was juicing...i really dont think that is a question...

do you really know though?im not trying to start a flame war...just saying....been alot of talk,but no solid proof....

[benVFR]

Sports was never drug free.

Hank Aaron most likely took amphetamines.. they have been in baseball for a long time and are likely still there.. get you hopped up for increased awareness & reduced reaction time. Great for a sport like baseball.

The only solution is massive testing, getting the government to more fully criminalize the drugs and actually enforce the law, and FAR more severe penalties.

You want to see what it looks like when a sport and/or governments make an effort to clean up the drugs look at professional cycling in Europe.

This year there were 2 entire teams removed from the Tour De France.. they have gone to kicking the entire team out if one rider fails a drug test. Effectively the team is put out of business. (Imagine if the San Francisco Giants lost their MLB franchise over Bonds!) The winner and points leader(s) are drug tested every single day, blood and urine, as well as tons of random tests *every* day. Riders have to file paperwork the entire year to tell the sport where they are every day. Michael Rasmussen was removed from the lead this year simply because his coach figured out he'd lied about his location earlier in the year when he missed a test. They would rather kick him out then risk the entire team getting nailed to the wall. The penalty for your first offense is a four year suspension, second offense is life. And in reality starting this year first offense is life, they're blackballing offenders out of the sport completely.

On top of that Italy and France have passed laws making it a felony to commit "Sporting Fraud" and/or to possess any of the drugs. When riders failed tests this year the French police descended like the SS and seized/searched the entire teams buses, hotel rooms, etc.. the coaches, doctors, wives, etc.. could all end up charged.

And that is the only way it can change.. you have to make all of MLB so afraid that they would have kicked Bonds out because the rest of the team and management is so afraid of losing their entire franchise. The only way to keep things clean is to motivate the players, coaches, and owners to rat out anyone for fear of their own career.

So just ask yourself if you really want to see that happen in Baseball... I think cycling will pull itself through and really be clean but the pain for the fans has been immense and who knows how long it will take.

Don't even mention the NFL... if the NFL came under Olympic and/or World Anti Doping Association regulations and the Feds passed tough new drug laws and enforced them the NFL would be completely out of business by the end of this calendar year. If you think 99% of the NFL is not doped to the gills let me know how the sand tastes. If and when they saved it, you wouldn't even see the same sport. The players would be like 100lbs lighter and they'd look way more like the guys from the 1950s then today's players.

The question is whether Bond's achievement is the straw that breaks the Camel's back. If enough people are furious this could start the tidal wave... I doubt it though.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by 636

do you really know though?im not trying to start a flame war...just saying....been alot of talk,but no solid proof....

yes

[benVFR]

Heh.. it would be awesome to see a series of measurements of him from when he started till now.

Weight, height, body fat percentage, arm size, head size, etc..

Go Go Gadget Growth Hormone!

[636]

ok.....so say 6 years of weight gainer and weight lifting wont give you the same results?

[Jaynnus]

Oh come on...we all know he was only 12 in that first pic!

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by 636

ok.....so say 6 years of weight gainer and weight lifting wont give you the same results?

lol i know what you are saying....and you know the reality...he has admited it i beleive....thats the big deal isnt it...he admitted to taking them years ago?

[636]

Originally Posted by bigred875

lol i know what you are saying....and you know the reality...he has admited it i beleive....thats the big deal isnt it...he admitted to taking them years ago?

see i didnt know that he admitted it....but in all reality....its more MLB's fualt....they should have began testing back 10 years ago....if you could get away with it would you?

[bigred875]

i'm sure i would....