[ScottyGixxer]

Originally Posted by bigred875

the president cant do anything on his own....

Powers of the President of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[highsider]

Is Jimmy Carter running?

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by ScottyGixxer

Powers of the President of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

great, thanks for backing me up

romney can't legalize polygamy and huckabee can't make abortion illegal if they become president....or any other religion based legislature...

so why is religion an issue?

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by DucDave

How 'bout appointing Supreme Court Justices...for life?

some people are racist...

I'm religionist...

what does that have to do with religion? when was the last time you voted for a president because of who the may or may not nominate for a SCJ?

it's making an issue out of nothing, there are far more important things to worry about...


personally i dont like organized religion but to mock and trash anyone who goes to church or lump them in with extremist nuts is either ignorant or stupid...you can fix ignorant.

Religious people do more good for society when is comes to charity community service and humanitarian efforts then people who dont go to chruch...in this country and around the world....

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by DucDave

The chief executive has broad ranging powers...

How 'bout nominating Supreme Court Justices...who serve for life?
How 'bout 'Executive Orders' like the one that sent all the Japanese to interrment camps?
Or this one Executive Order 13198 - Wikisource which established 'Faith Based Community Initiatives....slippery slope if you ask me.



some people are racist...

I'm religionist...

nice ninja edit...

good thing no one is asking you j/k that says faith not religion...and it's clear you didnt read that whole link...has nothing to do with religion or faith in our government...as i understand it was established to aid religious groups in their communities....all religions not evangelical Christian..

It's freedom of religion in this country...not freedom from religion... you can have your views but you should respect others...especially when it comes to someones faith...

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by DucDave

And the end of the day Religious position IS important to me. I do take a candidates postion into consideration. It's not everything...but it counts.

Do I think we should take 'In God We Trust' off our coinage. Yes...after we have fixed everything else!!!

it doesn't sounds extreme...it sounds ignorant and narrow minded honestly... The good done in god's name far out weighs the bad....it's unfortunate we typically only see and remember the bad.....

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by DucDave

...as does belief in God to me...



History doesn't really support this.

you are talking about organized religion, i am talking about religious everyday people that open their hearts to strangers because they their faith tells them that is what god would want/do....those people do remarkable things everyday that arent in the history books...that you dont hear about...this happens everyday in every country...religious people help those in need..

religious whack jobs are not what i am referring too...

there are a lot more catholic priest that have done a lot of good for a lot of different little boys then the small percentage of priests that have molested them.....

[DucDave]

Originally Posted by bigred875

you are talking about organized religion, i am talking about religious everyday people that open their hearts to strangers because they their faith tells them that is what god would want/do....those people do remarkable things everyday that arent in the history books...that you dont hear about...this happens everyday in every country...religious people help those in need..

religious whack jobs are not what i am referring too...

there are a lot more catholic priest that have done a lot of good for a lot of different little boys then the small percentage of priests that have molested them.....

You're right. You win.

[ScottyGixxer]

Originally Posted by bigred875

great, thanks for backing me up

haha, not backing you up at all. You have a bad habit of doing this, you make these broad, extremely over simplified, generalized, statements with no real reference points, regardless of the scope of the discussion being religious issues, you need to caveat your points or put them into a non mis-leading perspective.

No, I suppose the President can't do "shit" on his own, only, you know, control foreign policy that has an impact on the entire world... One word out of his mouth can set off a chain of events on a global level. No, he can't make abortion illegal, however, that pales in comparison to what he actually CAN do. So, don't misrepresent the President even if it is in the context of simple abortion, make it clear and concise... You make the President seem like an impotent "figure head". You also seem to think power is relatively equally distributed. I got news for you, it's not. The mechanisms controlling the powers of the President can be, and is, manipulated by the President himself. True, it's not a dictatorship (caveat statement in an effort to not misrepresent), but it's also not as "diluted" as most would like to believe.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by ScottyGixxer

haha, not backing you up at all. You have a bad habit of doing this, you make these broad, extremely over simplified, generalized, statements with no real reference points, regardless of the scope of the discussion being religious issues, you need to caveat your points or put them into a non mis-leading perspective.

No, I suppose the President can't do "shit" on his own, only, you know, control foreign policy that has an impact on the entire world... One word out of his mouth can set off a chain of events on a global level. No, he can't make abortion illegal, however, that pales in comparison to what he actually CAN do. So, don't misrepresent the President even if it is in the context of simple abortion, make it clear and concise... You make the President seem like an impotent "figure head". You also seem to think power is relatively equally distributed. I got news for you, it's not. The mechanisms controlling the powers of the President can be, and is, manipulated by the President himself. True, it's not a dictatorship (caveat statement in an effort to not misrepresent), but it's also not as "diluted" as most would like to believe.

and you have a habit over over analyzing one small point then pounding it into the ground...this topic started because someone said they wouldn't vote for romney because he is a Mormon...

No, I suppose the President can't do "shit" on his own, only, you know, control foreign policy that has an impact on the entire world... One word out of his mouth can set off a chain of events on a global level.

again, thanks for backing me up....

No, he can't make abortion illegal, however, that pales in comparison to what he actually CAN do.

oh wait..your back to not backing me up...ok so tell me...what can he do...worst case...give me an example of the horror a mormon president would do?...hell i'll make it easy...tell me what a crazy evangelical would do on his own....worst case....espeicially now with a democrat controlled congress....

it's making an issue out of nothing....what a man does should matter...not how he believes in his god

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Honclfibr

I mean, fuck, what does that even mean? What civilization has ever attempted to "rewrite what marriage and family means"?

I think the Romans/Greeks had a little rewriting of what it meant when Rome went Catholic...

[CMG241]

Originally Posted by RandyO

on Jan 8th I believe I will be casting a vote for Paul

I wish everyone would spend a few minutes and listen to some of his ideas - hell most of them are brilliant. If he didn't resemble a mad scientist from Gilligan's island he'd stand a chance..

[CMG241]

Originally Posted by bigred875

it doesn't sounds extreme...it sounds ignorant and narrow minded honestly... The good done in god's name far out weighs the bad....it's unfortunate we typically only see and remember the bad.....

Yup, the Taliban has been saying just the same for years..

[l3uddha]

so things have been narrowed down (not like it wasn't a given from the start of the primaries). mcain&romney, hillary&obama

would you rather mccain or romney?

romney really pisses me off for some reason. just something about him...

my guess is it's gonna come down to mccain and hillary in the end. obama is acting like a whiny little beyotch.

[DucDave]

They are both flawed. I know what I don't like about Romney. Aside from his impractical approach to illegal immigration and healthcare reform, he's a freekin Morman.

McCain seems like a one trick pony. Fight terrorism. What about domestic issues...the economy stupid?

You think Rudy is out? Hope not...he seemed to have the most practical approach.

[bigred875]

Romney because we need someone from the private sector not a pollitian and everything he's touches he improves. I also think he is running for president to make this country better and not solely to become president...

I like McCain and will vote for him if he gets the nomination but he isnt really a republican...i have a real problem with his amnesty bill and I don't agree with his views on "torture".

Although I still don't think there is any stopping hillary....

[Doc]

Who is this ron paul guy I keep hearing about from you guys? He never gets any press...

I doubt Hillary will win, I just don't think the country will elect a female President (YET).

[bigred875]

bump....any changes since i started thsi thread?

I still like Romney...

ron who?

rudy's in big trouble

will mccain be the first democrat to be nominated by the republican party?

huccubee.....yawn

[ChrisNoF4i]

Originally Posted by Some random news outlet Re: the Florida Primary

The contest is so tight between McCain and Romney that just about any factor could tip the balance.

I think I will wait until just before the polls close to cast my vote. We could be in double-OT by then!

I predict Rudy to bow out of the race sometime this evening. He put all his eggs in Florida, and now they're all poached.

[TESTINGurTOMATO]

This is a trickey group of candidates. I still am with Romney simply because I get his ideas and he speaks clearly all the time. He also looks presidential. He has good business sense. His platform is well presented. Although all of this may be true "the MOB is fickle sire" and "they choose death" for the perfect. Maybe his being a Mormon will be his downfall but as others have said religion should not play a part of the election of a leader

McCain --- focused too narrow

Giulliani --- relys too much on his good guy nature and after bombing in FL

R.Paul --- I follow your ideas but, maybe you need to present them to the public differently and maybe get a face lift.

Huckabee -- who's gonna fuckabee sorry could have wayy too much fun with this name and platform needs some adjustment

[bigred875]

giulliani out

[DucDave]

Originally Posted by bigred875

giulliani out

damn....where's Ross Perot when you need him?

[richw]

Mc Cain is a 70's Democrat

It will be a sad day when the choice is between a

Democrat and a Socialist

We are doomed start learning Mandarin so you can serve your new masters

[bigred875]

i'm moving to canada lol

[richw]

Oraq at least you can own a gun there