[Kham]

Originally Posted by Doc

Because you "demanded".

I wouldn't give you shit but a double tap for breaking into my house.

oh right. my bad. ask nicely of course. down you protesters.

[Kham]

Originally Posted by Pittenger5

So all illegal immigrants should break into Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Donald Trumps place cause they can afford it, and leave my low income alone. Makes sense to me.

they should really. rich bastards. whre's robbinhood?

[bump909]

Originally Posted by Triumphdog

Didn't we flee England an Europe for religious and economical reasons??? I know its not the same issue we're faced with today. But lets not forget our ancestors were at one time immigrants. This issue will never be solved without people having some respect and understanding for one another.

anyone is welcome to live here, as long as you play by the book.. imho.

[Kham]

Originally Posted by bump909

anyone is welcome to live here, as long as you play by the book.. imho.

who's book? i think those native indians have books too but they weren't strong enough to enforce. they got too much of land anyway to themselves.

greed!

so those Europeans broke into their tents.

[bump909]

is that a serious question?

[Kham]

depend

[ceo012384]

That original post is one of the most biased articles I have ever read.

Originally Posted by Pittenger5

I think a lot of the debate is perceptions and psychology too though. Think about it, most people, myself included feel that LEGAL Americans should have priotity over anyone else in America. I dont mean as humans, but I think we should have first crack at schooling, federal programs, medical care, etc etc. But not only do americans paying taxes (Most people assume that all illegals dont, and Id say a good amount actually dont) have to pay for the illegals in all the above catagories, but they also get the shaft when it comes to other things. Being in this country illegally is illegal, no matter how you want to word it. So is speeding. So why are they allowed to be here with no punishment, use MY hard earn tax dollars for all the above catagories, but when I break the law such as speeding IM fully punished, and lose MORE of my hard earned money and time assuming an appeal and such. So basically they get everything, contribute nothing and nothing happens. I have to work, pay my taxes and if I do something wrong Im fully punished.

Im not saying this is right, I dont believe myself in a lot of it, I just think a lot of people think of all of this is true, and Im willing to bet the vast majority believes in at least parts of this.

+1 to that... great post. Also, like you, not saying I agree, but that's a very common sentiment.

However, to play devil's advocate... no one wants to do all the shit jobs for minimum wage that immigrants will do.

I would say a lot of the catch 22 here lies in the employer's hands. Do they employ illegals under the table to vie for business and keep their heads afloat and stay in business, or do they decide to get righteous and only hire legal workers and pay tax on all their labor wages? In the former, they are perpetuating the issue but stay in business, but in the latter they are doing what is 'right' but may very well see their business taken by other companies employing illegals and see themselves go under financially.

It's a very complex situation that has gotten to a point where there is no clear-cut solution that is fair to all parties involved. That's why the original post is so mindblowingly short-sighted.

[bump909]

it's going to get to the point where there is more penalty for being legal than illegal.

[TheIglu]

Originally Posted by Kham

who's book? i think those native indians have books too but they weren't strong enough to enforce. they got too much of land anyway to themselves.

greed!

so those Europeans broke into their tents.

C'mon Kham,

You can't really think that any patriotic person who doesn't hate our country would really aknowledge that this country destroyed an entire people, do you?

1. By answering in any way, it must mean that you hate our country.
2. By not answering, it must mean you hate our country.
3. There is no grey area in life, everything is completely black and white.

See how easy it is?

[DucDave]

Originally Posted by TheIglu

C'mon Kham,

You can't really think that any patriotic person who doesn't hate our country would really aknowledge that this country destroyed an entire people, do you?

1. By answering in any way, it must mean that you hate our country.
2. By not answering, it must mean you hate our country.
3. There is no grey area in life, everything is completely black and white.

See how easy it is?

you created a set tautalogical questions which makes no sense....

+ YouTube Video

[Kham]

no.. he made sense being sarcastic as i was.

question was who's here first? now that we're here and we can't change the pass. everything is established, people has to protect the establishment.

[Pittenger5]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

However, to play devil's advocate... no one wants to do all the shit jobs for minimum wage that immigrants will do.

See I think this is an invalid perception too though. Everyone always says this, but remember that factory that was raided a year or two ago, and they caught all the illegals, which was most of their workforce, 2-3 days later every last job was filled with legal workers. Obviously if the company couldnt afford it they wouldnt have hired all these legals, they were just saving money using illegals.
Also I bring it up all the time, the paint industry, theres some good ones using legal workers, and they're getting the shaft cause of the company that hires illegals for 5 bucks an hour, which makes for shorter jobs. DOes that mean legal workers dont want to do the job? Of course not. There just needs to be uniform rules about employers hiring illegals to balance everything out.

Itll be interesting to see what is going to happen in Arizona, where they are going to punish employers who hire illegals. If things work out well I wouldnt be surprised to see it spread to other parts of the country.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by TheIglu

C'mon Kham,

You can't really think that any patriotic person who doesn't hate our country would really aknowledge that this country destroyed an entire people, do you?

1. By answering in any way, it must mean that you hate our country.
2. By not answering, it must mean you hate our country.
3. There is no grey area in life, everything is completely black and white.

See how easy it is?

every things cool...we gave them casino's

[Kham]

Originally Posted by Pittenger5

See I think this is an invalid perception too though. Everyone always says this, but remember that factory that was raided a year or two ago, and they caught all the illegals, which was most of their workforce, 2-3 days later every last job was filled with legal workers. Obviously if the company couldnt afford it they wouldnt have hired all these legals, they were just saving money using illegals.
Also I bring it up all the time, the paint industry, theres some good ones using legal workers, and they're getting the shaft cause of the company that hires illegals for 5 bucks an hour, which makes for shorter jobs. DOes that mean legal workers dont want to do the job? Of course not. There just needs to be uniform rules about employers hiring illegals to balance everything out.

Itll be interesting to see what is going to happen in Arizona, where they are going to punish employers who hire illegals. If things work out well I wouldnt be surprised to see it spread to other parts of the country.

all in the business. maximize profit as long as you can get away. who cares right or wrong. employers know and will take advantage of the situation.

[mzdagrl]

Originally Posted by Degsy

The americans who don't work are lazy or greedy.

so when I spent 6 weeks unemployed because i got laid off from a corporate restructure I was lazy and greedy? I spent every day searching for a job, but I was too educated for many "menial" positions and underexperienced for anything that would pay the bills. I was turned down because I was too expensive and turned down due to inexperience. Since I know the paint guy will come back, I will point out that I used to paint houses (interior and exterior) for 8 years, nd when I applied for that job I was turned down because I "would not be an adequate employee due to my small stature" (I was turned down because I was female).

Not all unemployed Americans are as horrible as you say. Could I have scrubbed toilets for $5.25/hr? Probably if any jobs like that were open in this area at the time.... All generalizations are false.

[Pittenger5]

My point exactly, theres always someone willign to take a job, and theres far more jobs that refuse to hire them because they're "too experienced" or are too qualified or whatever. Guess what, its cause they want to pay someone less, regardless of whether you would take it or not, they want someone that will take the money and not look elsewhere for somewhere they could get paid better.

[Kham]

i was out of work for more than a year but that was my fault for not taking the right path in life. i'd take the paint job or might even blowjob but i would stop short on scrubbing toilets.

[DucDave]

Originally Posted by mzdagrl

All generalizations are false.

+1

(but...can't resist....even your generalization??? )

Or...

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken

[TheIglu]

And who are the people paying them the illegals to work?

We are.

Stop feeding the cat, it'll stop showing up at your door.

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by TheIglu

And who are the people paying them the illegals to work?

We are.

Stop feeding the cat, it'll stop showing up at your door.

ding ding ding ding..."and what do we have for today's winner?" lol

thats my point...i am not for "rounding them up" I am for getting rid of the environment in which someone here illegally can survive..

hit the people who hire "undocumented workers", people who rent them housing and make it illegal for them to own property and register a car and they will leave....

[Honclfibr]

We need to stop illegal immigration now. That way, once we're done selling our real estate and outsourcing all the good jobs to Asia, I can get a job mowing the lawns of the Indian satellite office built on land owned by the Chinese. Maybe if I'm lucky they'll pay me in rupees, since the dollar sure ain't looking very good right now.

[DucDave]

Originally Posted by bigred875

ding ding ding ding..."and what do we have for today's winner?" lol

law of averages....even an idiot will say something useful if he talks long enough

its the only reason I keep responding to these posts....

[bigred875]

Originally Posted by DucDave

law of averages....even an idiot will say something useful if he talks long enough

its the only reason I keep responding to these posts....

lol even a broken clock is right twice a day

[bigred875]

wait a second..did you call me an idiot?

[DucDave]

Originally Posted by bigred875

wait a second..did you call me an idiot?

no...i was referring to the individual for whom you dinged....



but, come to think of it...you MAY qualify as well!