[Kham]

Originally Posted by TheIglu

Yeah, they are. Just like we are. You want money? I sure do.

If you don't want to give them your money, don't do business with them. Simple as that.

yea well i do but i wouldn't screw others for it or sell illegal drugs.

what the hell we're arguing about here? we're just going round and round. forget it man.

[ChrisNoF4i]

Hmmm, if gas prices do climb to $10 maybe it'll keep a lot of the shitbags off the roads. Good times.

[Kham]

Originally Posted by ChrisNoF4i

Hmmm, if gas prices do climb to $10 maybe it'll keep a lot of the shitbags off the roads. Good times.

shitbags with no money will stay home but i think there plenty of shitbags with plenty money to burn.

[TheIglu]

I like to argue.

[trickphoto]

Originally Posted by TheIglu

I like to argue.

No you don't.

[Kham]

hey honky, your buddy pres. bush disagrees with you. government is not jump starting the corps.


Bush: US is not headed into recession - Yahoo! News

[R7]

Come on now, you're smarter than that..
1 gallon of gas will cut 4 cord of wood with a sharp chainsaw
5 gallons of gas will split the 4 cords of wood you just cut
And maybe 20 gallons of gas at most to haul the 4 cord of wood from the woods to the house.
What are we up to, 26 gallons of gas? That same 4 cord of wood is easily worth 500+ gallons of heating oil. I'm heating my house 99% with wood, and I'm already kicking myself in the ass for not getting a combo wood/oil boiler, then even my hot water would be wood. I've used about 35 gallons of oil sence I filled my tank in the beginning of October, and 34 of those I'm sure was just for hot water

Originally Posted by highsider

Not to take it off topic, but fuck it I will anyway.

I heat with wood as well - but the wood is cut with a gas powered chainsaw, hauled out of the woods with a gas powered tractor, split with a gas powered log splitter, and hauled to your house in a gas powered truck. So while I enjoy the heat I get, I dont know how much good I'm doing either the environment or the oil problem.

[ChR1s]

Originally Posted by R7

Come on now, you're smarter than that..
1 gallon of gas will cut 4 cord of wood with a sharp chainsaw
5 gallons of gas will split the 4 cords of wood you just cut
And maybe 20 gallons of gas at most to haul the 4 cord of wood from the woods to the house.
What are we up to, 26 gallons of gas? That same 4 cord of wood is easily worth 500+ gallons of heating oil. I'm heating my house 99% with wood, and I'm already kicking myself in the ass for not getting a combo wood/oil boiler, then even my hot water would be wood. I've used about 35 gallons of oil sence I filled my tank in the beginning of October, and 34 of those I'm sure was just for hot water

Hey, woodsie. I suggest you purchase soon whatever wood fired appliance(s) you feel you may want. The greenies are working hard at demanding regulations on emissions for that shit. Most locales around me have already banned or heavily restricted those wood fired boiler deals.

[Kham]

heating oil will be 3.85 this week.

MAD MAX!

[TheIglu]

Originally Posted by Kham

heating oil will be 3.85 this week.

MAD MAX!

Where is my gyrocopter when I need it?

I just keep looking outside, waiting patiently for the ice to melt on my road. Then I'll have 7+ months of riding to work with 60+mpg fuel efficiency.

[Kham]

Originally Posted by TheIglu

Where is my gyrocopter when I need it?

I just keep looking outside, waiting patiently for the ice to melt on my road. Then I'll have 7+ months of riding to work with 60+mpg fuel efficiency.

dont you mean flying to work with the steam engine?

[TheIglu]

Steam is not an efficient method of power transmission when it comes to vehicles.

[richw]

Obama has "further clarified" his position on Iraq

He will remove "combat troops" out of Iraq as soon as he thinks its feasible
(2050)

Unless he finds that AlQuida is in Iraq ??? psst


Obamacadabra

[TheIglu]

Originally Posted by richw

Obama has "further clarified" his position on Iraq

He will remove "combat troops" out of Iraq as soon as he thinks its feasible
(2050)

Unless he finds that AlQuida is in Iraq ??? psst


Obamacadabra

So what you are saying is.....nothing.

[Kham]

here's one gas price analysis. it's not so bad. i don't know what the fuck they're talking about rising income. seems im going backward.

so that's where the gas tax in europe went? not so much maintening roads. what is our excise tax used for?

"And some people, usually Europeans, like to point out that gasoline is still far cheaper in the United States than it is in Europe, where it can cost upwards of $8 a gallon.

Others argue that's it's not fair to compare the United States and Europe, as Europe's high prices are largely due to taxes, which are then used to fund public benefits such as mass transit or cheaper health care."


Yahoo! Personal Finance

[richw]

I am probably selling the Burgman 650
50 mpg
protection
storage

But you have to me secure in your manhood

[zombie]

Originally Posted by richw

Obama has "further clarified" his position on Iraq

He will remove "combat troops" out of Iraq as soon as he thinks its feasible
(2050)

Unless he finds that AlQuida is in Iraq ??? psst


Obamacadabra

Meanwhile this administration has plunged the country into recession , invaded another country in a war of vanity .
Oil was $38 dollars a barrell when the great uniter came into office.
The attack on civil liberties is relentless and every second word from the white house is terror.
\The american dollar is being devalued at a relentless rate while the great one himself sits around fiddling while rome burns.
I think history will judge this man very poorly.
Almost 4000 dead Americans and hundreds of thouseand dead Iraqis for what??
The war profiteering by the likes of Halliburton on the backs of dead americans in Iraq goes on unchecked but in all this the only thing you can come up with is some lame 10dollar a gallon one liner. The way things are going we won't have to wait that long.
At least try and come up with a cogent arguement but I relize I may be asking too much .
Any change at this stage has to be better than the situation we are in right now.

[chief929]

We gotta stop driving huge vehicles down to the Quick Mart and get into the four three two one cylinder vehicles...

[richw]

I am very sorry for our brave troops killed and injured in Iraq.

The killing can stop if we establish a secure base in Iraq near the oil fields and Iran. The point is not to allow the crazies free reign with this world vital resource.

If republicans and the administration is guilty of anything it is allowing China to currency manipulate and dump without adequate checks. This is why oil went from 30 to 100 dollars. China is a big consumer and the dollar has dropped by near 50%. The bitter fruit of this will be coming for decades and all America will be like the old New England Mill Towns.

NONE of the current candidates are willing to address this in a serious manner and it may be too late anyway.

George Bush was change.

I want to get behind a candidate that says good for main stream America f all the rest. I don't see that option but change toward true socialism will hasten the downturn and suffering.

[Kham]

Originally Posted by chief929

We gotta stop driving huge vehicles down to the Quick Mart and get into the four three two one cylinder vehicles...

we need huge vehicles to hall stuff and the bike around.

seems gas price increase has little or no effect. i see about the same number o f huge vehicles everyday.

meanwhile price has hit $5.20 in CA. some predicted we'll see $4/gal around here by memorial day.

[TheIglu]

Originally Posted by Kham

we need huge vehicles to hall stuff and the bike around.

That is the very problem with our society. You don't NEED to haul a TOY around.

[Kham]

it'll be a lot more bike commute to work this yr for me.

[taxonomy]

Originally Posted by TheIglu

The ONLY way to win the oil fight is to get out of it completely.

<snip)

The rest of you can continue to bitch about those crazy liberals while you demand the equivalent of fuel Welfare with no limit or reason to stop.

Thank you.

If the war is about oil as many posts seem to indicate let's fund it with gas taxes. Let's see what a gallon of gas costs then.

I'd recommend starting with Frompkin's A Peace to End All Peace on the making of the modern middle east.

Take your pick, factional religious fighting, collapse of the theocratic monarchies in the middle east, the now thousands of Saudi Princes that will struggle over power when the old guard goes down, the Middle East is no place to base a future on but that's where we're going.

If you like you can look to the Asian tigers, care to fight a ground war with the Chinese over natural Gas in Turkmenistan? Perhaps you'd like a simultaneous civil war in the Niger River Delta and, um, a resurgent Bathist party in Iraq? Or maybe collapse on Pakistan and, um, the Chinese rush in to stabilize and also take Afghanistan and the pipeline. How about Putin, um, shuts off the tap to Europe at the same time?

Take your pick and it's a litter I tell you.

Drilling off Massachusetts won't help sate the thirst, and we won't win this chopping down trees. As someone that was fired on by government troops during Chave's first coupe (I was there working as a tour guide) and who has been to North Africa I can say with some personal conviction
that we cannot Delta Force our way out.

The die was cast a long time ago. Elect whichever cartoon president you want.


$10 a gallon gas is coming boys, and far greater. Enjoy the twilight.

Adam

[richw]

Ok but how soon

inflation would make it eventually but then your salary will be 250K.

The only 2 technologies that can maintain our standard of living are:

Burning Coal that we have hundreds of years worth.

Fission nuclear plants we could build

We all know that every lefty is against both of those because bad things "might" happen. NY and Hollywood left will wrap themselves in their Gaea religion while your grandparents freeze and starve.

Their Turkey Lurkey and Marie Antoinette attitudes will eventually kill millions
Our families being numbered amongst the dead

Have a nice democratic day

[benVFR]

Only way it's going to to work is to reduce consumption stop trying to rationalize a way to keep your current lifestyle. Trailering gas powered toys with monster trucks is going to be over. Going and riding 300 miles to nowhere on a saturday with a massively overpowered bike is probably going to be over.

Move somewhere you can walk/bicycle to work, groceries, etc.. hope your company can survive if gas goes through the roof.

$10 gas, $20 gas.. will it kill Walmart with their zero-inventory & fleet of 18-wheelers on the road? How much is food going to cost? How much is all that stuff coming on a giant boat from China going to cost?

Clayton can live in the sticks and heat with wood but is he so far out that he won't be able to afford food or be able to work?

We're going to get stuck reshaping the country so we all live & work close together to reduce consumption.. it's going to suck.

Depending on who you listen to it's either going to suck or it's REALLY going to suck.

We've fucked ourselves far far more then other developed nations.. we probably need the $5-6 gas sooner rather then later so we can start to adapt before the shit really hits the fan.

So if they dividing the Iraq war costs up among all US citizens I wonder how much gas that would have bought each of us.. or how many miles of rail line we could have repaired/built.