[wylee]

[quote=wylee;484693]Although the principal is not a law enforcement officer, she was clearly working with law enforcement and the deal was clearly coerced. I'm definitely not a law expert, but this sounds like entrapment to me.

I also wonder whether the school has a policy of allowing confiscated cell phones to be used by the staff. It was her hangup call that prompted the text message. Isn't using someone's cell phone without their permission theft of service?

This sounds shady to me; what say nesr?

No, I'm not advocating for allowing reefer in schools. I just think what happenned in this story is shitty.


Principal uses students cell phone to lure in a drug deal - Union Leader

Principal Uses Cell Phone To Lure Drug Suspect To Arrest - New Hampshire News Story - WMUR Manchester

[R1slowflyer]

nope not illegal! welcome to the patriot act.

Pelham NH police pulled something similair last year and busted about 15 people for intent to distribute and possesion of a class b substance. it was all over the papers. the question was exactly what you asked is it entrapment, no they only picked up the phone when the people called looking for drugs?

Its what we get for letting our rights to privacy signed off so easily.

yes selling refer is wrong and yes to some degree using the phone to lure somone to a drug deal is wrong but its the realities we are now faced with with our privacy under strict scrutiny.

hell did you know that a cell phone company has the ability to turn your cell phone on without there being any sign of it being on. they can listen into every conversation you have, and this is all now accessible through the proper law enforcement channels.

It does sound very fishy, but because of a lawsuit there is basically no chance that this kid will even learn anything from this, he seen an oppurtunity and the lawyer did to, if it were just a "refer" charge he would be in and out of court in a day and have to suffer the penalties till he was 18, no big deal probation maybe some community service and a fine or two, it just goes to show what we have come to. this kid did something wrong and now hes trying to get some reparation out of it. now i see the charges being dropped, but to keep a school zone drug free they were being proactive, showing that if you get caught we'll find the others involved, smart when you want to know what somw of these kids are doing in school. Also a good first step in the fact that if NH were to de-criminalize pot then there is absolutely no reason that they should not be able to by any means necessary keep school zones clean.

the brave new world! my .02

[VinceF2]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

nope not illegal! welcome to the patriot act.

Pelham NH police pulled something similair last year and busted about 15 people for intent to distribute and possesion of a class b substance. it was all over the papers. the question was exactly what you asked is it entrapment, no they only picked up the phone when the people called looking for drugs?

Its what we get for letting our rights to privacy signed off so easily.

yes selling refer is wrong and yes to some degree using the phone to lure somone to a drug deal is wrong but its the realities we are now faced with with our privacy under strict scrutiny.

hell did you know that a cell phone company has the ability to turn your cell phone on without there being any sign of it being on. they can listen into every conversation you have, and this is all now accessible through the proper law enforcement channels.

It does sound very fishy, but because of a lawsuit there is basically no chance that this kid will even learn anything from this, he seen an oppurtunity and the lawyer did to, if it were just a "refer" charge he would be in and out of court in a day and have to suffer the penalties till he was 18, no big deal probation maybe some community service and a fine or two, it just goes to show what we have come to. this kid did something wrong and now hes trying to get some reparation out of it. now i see the charges being dropped, but to keep a school zone drug free they were being proactive, showing that if you get caught we'll find the others involved, smart when you want to know what somw of these kids are doing in school. Also a good first step in the fact that if NH were to de-criminalize pot then there is absolutely no reason that they should not be able to by any means necessary keep school zones clean.

the brave new world! my .02

[DucDave]

hell did you know that a cell phone company has the ability to turn your cell phone on without there being any sign of it being on. they can listen into every conversation you have, and this is all now accessible through the proper law enforcement channels.

Is this true? Seems unlikely to me....

Furthermore, and I'm no expert, but I thought that this part of the Patriot Act was limited to conversations with people overseas...and that there were a number of other restrictions that would suggest that the Patriot Act has nothing to do with this case...

[04ZRX]

Last I heard, if you are in a school zone & you are doing anything drug related, they (the cops) have the right of seizing any & all of your property.

I don't think it pertains to a principal of a school though. That would be theft of private property.

About the phone company turning on my phone to listen in without me seeing any display or knowing it is turned on: Now I know why my battery goes dead so quickly! Thanks for the info!

Big Brother is watching us all!

[Stoneman]

That there principle's gonna end up in some deep shit. Entrapment or not, mark my words - she won't be a school admin for much longer...

[R1slowflyer]

Originally Posted by VinceF2

It is!






or is it?


sometimes the truth is stranger than the lies!

[l3uddha]

Originally Posted by Stoneman

That there principle's gonna end up in some deep shit. Entrapment or not, mark my words - she won't be a school admin for much longer...

i watched it on the news last night, and i guess no one was planning on pressing charges against her, but then they showed some renegade lawyer who was talking about taking her down or something.

how she did it seems wrong, but I do applaud her for doing it.

[Honclfibr]

"Barker confiscated the phone because it was forbidden during school hours. She told police that once she confiscated the phone, she did what she always does -- scroll through the contact list and call other students, trying to catch others violating the campus rule."

Talk about an unecessary invasion of privacy...

[R1slowflyer]

Are we forgeting that this is on SCHOOL PROPERTY!

School grounds is supposed to be a controlled environment, it should be somewhere on the lines of airport security with the ways the younger generations act nowadays.

[Cheese-GSXR]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

hell did you know that a cell phone company has the ability to turn your cell phone on without there being any sign of it being on. they can listen into every conversation you have, and this is all now accessible through the proper law enforcement channels.

Got a link to this source?

There was a goofy a$$ story about this not to long ago where some family claimed they were being stalked by someone who had hacked into their cell phones and was steaming video and audio from their phones.

If I recall it was featured on a very reputable program like Tyra Banks.

[R1slowflyer]

No, Its just something i heard from a couple of verizon employees.

So yes it is hearsay, how are you to know its true i said it and i dont have anything to back it up, but its something i believe considering the source and the shit i have seen in the past.

I am not saying that its regularly used, just that it is 150% possible. your phone holds more technology than you may think.

[TheIglu]

Originally Posted by Cheese-GSXR

If I recall it was featured on a very reputable program like Tyra Banks.

OH NO YOU DIH-INT!

[Honclfibr]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

No, Its just something i heard from a couple of verizon employees.

So yes it is hearsay, how are you to know its true i said it and i dont have anything to back it up, but its something i believe considering the source and the shit i have seen in the past.

I am not saying that its regularly used, just that it is 150% possible. your phone holds more technology than you may think.

This is true, why just yesterday I was playing with my phone and realized it could play tetris, I didn't even know it had that kind of technology! If it can play tetris it can 150% track me even when it's off, maybe even when the battery is out because it's secretly powered by a small nucular device that steals energy from my brain waves while I sleep!

[R1slowflyer]

Originally Posted by Honclfibr

This is true, why just yesterday I was playing with my phone and realized it could play tetris, I didn't even know it had that kind of technology! If it can play tetris it can 150% track me even when it's off, maybe even when the battery is out because it's secretly powered by a small nucular device that steals energy from my brain waves while I sleep!

They can read your dreams!

be careful!

If you think too loudly it will pick up the delta B waves and suddenly the CIA has access to all your information

Testris is so last decade, its the phones with minesweeper you have to watch out for, when you are playing the game, the phone is hacking your computer.

[R1slowflyer]

someone make a graph that shows the direction a thread goes the more i post, ill make that shit my avatar as a warning.

[RyanNicholson]

reminds me of this....

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152353/

[Stoneman]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

Are we forgeting that this is on SCHOOL PROPERTY!

School grounds is supposed to be a controlled environment, it should be somewhere on the lines of airport security with the ways the younger generations act nowadays.

I've got no problem with phones getting conf'd if they're on school grounds IF said school does indeed have a policy stating as such. I've got no problem with someone getting popped for selling reefer on or near school grounds. I'm simply saying her tenure is as good as done now. Mark my words...

[RyanNicholson]

i think its a little extreme to make a habit of going through kids phones. i agree with taking them if they are using them during class or whatever, but using the conf'd phone to make other kids use theirs for the purpose of taking it seems like a cheap shot to me.

if a principal took my phone, fine whatever i fucked up....but if they went through my phone i'd be bullshit. you can't tell me that their policy says "phones will be confiscated and searched/used by the faculty" haha

[R1slowflyer]

Originally Posted by Stoneman

I've got no problem with phones getting conf'd if they're on school grounds IF said school does indeed have a policy stating as such. I've got no problem with someone getting popped for selling reefer on or near school grounds. I'm simply saying her tenure is as good as done now. Mark my words...

I agree! she is getting let go, but i ask why, all she did was prevent a potential problem and show that you can't get away with dealing on school property. Its sad really. I had worse happen to me when i was in school and when it came down to it i realized i fucked up and i had to suffer the consequences not call a lawyer.

[R1slowflyer]

Originally Posted by RyanNicholson

i think its a little extreme to make a habit of going through kids phones. i agree with taking them if they are using them during class or whatever, but using the conf'd phone to make other kids use theirs for the purpose of taking it seems like a cheap shot to me.

if a principal took my fine, fine whatever i fucked up....but if they went through my phone i'd be bullshit. you can't tell me that their policy says "phones will be confiscated and searched/used by the faculty" haha

Not now, but i am sure they will try and sneak it into the policy now.

With cell phones being as prevalant as they are today its only right that they be able to use them for preventative purposes if confiscated.

Oh shit, myself from 5-6years ago would kick the shit outta me right now!

[Honclfibr]

It's the slippery slope argument. We can all agree that school officials must have certain rights over their students above and beyond what might be granted to normal "public officials" in order to maintain order. The question is, where do those rights end?

In this case, there's no doubt in my mind that the principal overstepped those rights. If we allow this, what's next? Should school officials be allowed to strip search students? Where does the line get drawn, and who draws it?

[RyanNicholson]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

With cell phones being as prevalant as they are today its only right that they be able to use them for preventative purposes if confiscated.

i agree to an extent, but it still seems a little ridiculous. I'm not saying kids selling drugs at school shouldn't get busted for it....but say you had a kid in high school and their phone was on your plan....it gets confiscated and the principal sends/recieves a bunch of text messages for an hour or two on it trying to bust all your kids friends for whatever.

That could add up price-wise if there isn't a txt plan. I'd be pissed if I was the parent, not only about the expense (not the amount just the principal of it) and the invasion of privacy on my kid. haha.

(completely theoretical, just for discussion)

[R1slowflyer]

Originally Posted by Honclfibr

It's the slippery slope argument. We can all agree that school officials must have certain rights over their students above and beyond what might be granted to normal "public officials" in order to maintain order. The question is, where do those rights end?

In this case, there's no doubt in my mind that the principal overstepped those rights. If we allow this, what's next? Should school officials be allowed to strip search students? Where does the line get drawn, and who draws it?

+1 i agree and i have no more to say other than LEO's do have a place in the school system.

at least if they cant have defined lines written above what is already in place they can practice and uphold the laws as they are as an adult.

[R1slowflyer]

Originally Posted by RyanNicholson

i agree to an extent, but it still seems a little ridiculous. I'm not saying kids selling drugs at school shouldn't get busted for it....but say you had a kid in high school and their phone was on your plan....it gets confiscated and the principal sends/recieves a bunch of text messages for an hour or two on it trying to bust all your kids friends for whatever.

That could add up price-wise if there isn't a txt plan. I'd be pissed if I was the parent, not only about the expense (not the amount just the principal of it) and the invasion of privacy on my kid. haha.

(completely theoretical, just for discussion)

I see what you mean, I guess you can look at it that way, but i think alot of what this problem stems off of is parenting. I am sure that if their kid was caught at something they had no idea he or she was doing the good parent and i use that loosely would not care about the charge as long as their kid learned a lesson.

I am not a parent i dont know, this is just outside looking in at what i had happen to me. my parents made ME take responsibility for what i did, even if it was a little overstepped by the authority. there are still circumstances that i was wrong and i didn't go to any lawyers and try to place responsibilty on someone else.