[REDVTR1000]

not gonna happen. the infastructure that would have to be in place to make this happen would take years to implement and it is not something they can do behind our backs as too many private citizens would have to be involved. there is no way to track or police this. it would have to be voluntary like the 70's or nothing at all... not happening

[RandyO]

Originally Posted by REDVTR1000

not gonna happen. the infastructure that would have to be in place to make this happen would take years to implement and it is not something they can do behind our backs as too many private citizens would have to be involved. there is no way to track or police this. it would have to be voluntary like the 70's or nothing at all... not happening

they made it happen quicky during WWII. you don't think this country is as capable as it was 65 years ago?

[R1slowflyer]

If you call corruption capable

Yes they can do it, and i guarantee it will benefit someone's pocket before it benefits the american people.

The people will dictate the fuel consumption. As people give up their 8 cylinders for 4, carpool, stop leisurely driving, by the time your little rumor is to go into affect the people will have already taken their steps to help cut the cost.

With less of a demand the price will go down. by us not trying to fill our oil reserves anymore the cost will go down.

There not only no need for gov't fuel rationing, but it WILL NOT work.

[beet]

I agree WE are on the edge!

Originally Posted by RandyO

too bad, you will have to use public transportation or use you rations, or get a horse and make a 5 day journey

tourism is the least of the countries worries

rampant spending caused the Soviet Unon to break up back in the 80s. the US is on the edge

[R1slowflyer]

you pessimistic bastards!

[richw]

Well $$$$ made me select the Honda CIVIC 27 to 35

Note Prius upcharge now 8000 even at 6 / gas thats
a 200000 break even but there is a waiting list

[TheIglu]

Originally Posted by richw

Well $$$$ made me select the Honda CIVIC 27 to 35

Note Prius upcharge now 8000 even at 6 / gas thats
a 200000 break even but there is a waiting list

Mmmm, numbers.

Just remember about the Prius Rich, 8000 with 3 -> ~4.8
that is nearly 56% of 7/9

[Honclfibr]

Originally Posted by richw

Well $$$$ made me select the Honda CIVIC 27 to 35

Note Prius upcharge now 8000 even at 6 / gas thats
a 200000 break even but there is a waiting list

Actually, it's 115k. Given a 46mpg EPA combined rating for the prius and a 30mpg rating for the civic along with an 8000 upcharge:


(6 / 46)x + 8000 = (6/30)x

.0695x = 8000

x = 115107 miles to breakeven.

That may still be unacceptable to the average driver especially given the battery replacement cost/time, but new technologies are always fueled by the early adopters who subsidize the NRE in exchange for the "cool" factor they get by being the first on the block.

Eventually hybrids may make sense on their economy alone but for that to happen you have to get some people to buy in for other reasons to drive the technology.

[richw]

Most Prius drivers see about 40 and most little cars give better then 30 about 32

Yes there was some hyperbole and we still haven't seen the $6 gas

Toyota is gouging as it used to be a 4000 up charge when gas was 2.80

[RandyO]

were going backward, 40 years ago

my first car, a 1962 VW Beetle got 30-35mpg and cost $1400
gas cost 27¢

why aren't we getting any better milage after 40 years

[R1slowflyer]

since you are the older generation then maybe you can answer this for us the up and coming generation.

[richw]

EPA and the DOT

Cars are safer and cleaner

They also cost twice as much in real dollars

my 62 sport fury routinely got 22 on the highway at 85
361 4bbl

Your tree hugger buddy's want you to stay home and stop annoying Gaea

[g®eg]

you'll know the end is near when they switch to metric,, then km/h will seem fast & dollars / liter will seem cheap

[brewmaster]

My mothers old Datsun B210 regularly got 40+ mpg, not bad for 26 years ago! I agree with RandyO on this one, how can we not have 50+ mpg cars today after 25+ years of development.

Simple, no demand - no development - no production. To me gas $$$ going up is a good thing in some ways. Environmental, Political possibly Good. Economical, social potentially Bad.

[g®eg]

1 gallon (US) = 3.785412 liters
1 Euro = 1.5667 dollars

so... 1.469 x 3.785412 x 1.5667 = $8.71 / gallon for regular.

[richw]

I also think this shows Diesel is 2/3 of gas there

Thank you tree huggers for low sulphur

[g®eg]

Originally Posted by richw

I also think this shows Diesel is 2/3 of gas there

Thank you tree huggers for low sulphur

c'mon it's only 6% cheaper than regular....
"gazole" = diesel.
and the amount of soot pollution is amazing. try riding behind a line a diesel cars for a day.

[Honclfibr]

Originally Posted by g®eg

c'mon it's only 6% cheaper than regular....
"gazole" = diesel.
and the amount of soot pollution is amazing. try riding behind a line a diesel cars for a day.

Please, let's not muddle this disccussion with facts or experience from anyone who's actually been outside this country. Rich is ranting here, and his truthiness is infallible.

[g®eg]

Originally Posted by Honclfibr

Please, let's not muddle this disccussion with facts or experience from anyone who's actually been outside this country. Rich is ranting here, and his truthiness is infallible.

who? Rich?

aka




right you are... my bad
I'll go back to lurk mode

[richw]

The what is combustible liquid ?

kero maybe ?

[g®eg]

yes, kerosene

nope... take that back. It's LPG

[richw]

No not europe but China and Tiawan

[KevinB]

We aren't running out oil, at least not in the next 6 months. Maybe in 10-20 years. I do think cheap oil, is a thing of the past, although I feel its pricing is being pushed up more by investors and the weak dollar. I'm sure this will correct itself just as the housing market has, its just another cycle.

[richw]

I think OIL at 135 means gas at 4.50

[RandyO]

Originally Posted by KevinB

We aren't running out oil, at least not in the next 6 months. Maybe in 10-20 years. I do think cheap oil, is a thing of the past, although I feel its pricing is being pushed up more by investors and the weak dollar. I'm sure this will correct itself just as the housing market has, its just another cycle.

scare mongering, in the 60s whin I was in school they rod us that there would be no more oil in 25 years,

but there are more known oil reserves now than there were then

truth is, oil is a renewable resource, organics, mostly plankton and other marine organics is what becomes oil, not dinosaurs, dead organics are continuously settling to the bottom of the ocean and being compressed into oil