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    '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    My girlfriend is considering either a 2014 jeep wrangled 4 door automatic or a 2016 toyota Tacoma trd package v6 auto. Both used, the jeep is 26k the taco is 29k.

    We both know the smart choice is the toyota, but obviously the jeep is more fun. But is it reliable?

    Also, she will want to tow a 17' boston whaler center console. That's where I'm unsure. The jeep has a towing capacity of 2k, which seems low. The toyota is 3.5k. Do u consider the trailer weight too?

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Tacoma hands down.

    Absolutely include trailer weight plus whatever else you have in the boat.

    Tow rating on the Tacoma should be higher too. That seems like the base rating, but add the tow package, which I've never seen a V6 without in New England, and it should be at least 5k.

    The towing experience will be much better with the taco too. Much more stable.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Tacoma hands down.

    Absolutely include trailer weight plus whatever else you have in the boat.

    Tow rating on the Tacoma should be higher too. That seems like the base rating, but add the tow package, which I've never seen a V6 without in New England, and it should be at least 5k.

    The towing experience will be much better with the taco too. Much more stable.
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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Also remember the tow capacity is the minus anything in the truck beyond the driver as well. That said, a Taco will sling that boat around no problem.

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    FWIW, tow rating on a 4 door Wrangler with > 3.21 gears is actually 4000lb.

    I've had 2 Jeep JK's, a 2012 and a 2015, and both of them were very reliable for a Chrysler product. Worst problem I ever had was noisy water pump that got replaced under warranty.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    The Tacoma is definitely better at being a truck, you won't go wrong there. The 4 door Jeep does alright towing, I wouldn't hesitate to put 3,000 lbs behind it. The longer wheelbase helps. That said, the factory hitch is mounted solely on the rear cross member, and the rear cross member is a pretty fragile piece of stamped steel. I wouldn't put anything on there that leveraged it too much (motorcycle hitch carrier) but it's fine for a few hundred pounds of tongue weight. There are also aftermarket hitches available that bolt through the parallel frame rails - not great for off roading but it sure up the towing aspect greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    Also remember the tow capacity is the minus anything in the truck beyond the driver as well. That said, a Taco will sling that boat around no problem.
    Kinda yes, kinda no.

    I think you're thinking about gross vehicle or maybe gross combined weight. If you're rated to tow 6k and have 1000 lbs of stuff in the truck, you could still tow 6k as long as you haven't hit payload, axle or gross vehicle limits. You only have to start taking weight away from the towed weight figure if you're going to be over one of those.

    I think most people go wrong by not accounting for tongue weight in their payload figure if they even bother to do it at all. They buy a truck rated to tow a certain weight, but a toy that weighs that, hitches it up, loads the truck with whatever they feel like and hit the road

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Wikipedia specs claim the wheelbase on the Taco is something like 30" longer, which I believe.
    Longer wheelbase => much better time towing when underway. Shorter wheelbase => easier handling at the launch ramp.

    I'd pick the taco.

    That said, I bet either would tow that boat fine. When I was younger I routinely towed a 16.5' Glastron fiberglass tri-hull with a 1986 VW Jetta. That's right, an anemic FWD with a 1.8L gas motor. Never had any issues handling the boat. Got some dirty looks from the pickup-truck crowd. But always got the boat home just fine. I think Americans over-spec for towing sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Kinda yes, kinda no.

    I think you're thinking about gross vehicle or maybe gross combined weight. If you're rated to tow 6k and have 1000 lbs of stuff in the truck, you could still tow 6k as long as you haven't hit payload, axle or gross vehicle limits. You only have to start taking weight away from the towed weight figure if you're going to be over one of those.

    I think most people go wrong by not accounting for tongue weight in their payload figure if they even bother to do it at all. They buy a truck rated to tow a certain weight, but a toy that weighs that, hitches it up, loads the truck with whatever they feel like and hit the road
    Yes, but most vehicles rate the GCWR at tow wt plus vehicle and they give like a 1800-200# allowance for the driver. I'm sure some are a bit different, but can be deceiving. The other thing to watch is many tow ratings are very limited unless you have a WDH. Some halfer trucks are limited to 5k unless you have a WDH then it jumps to the max advertised tow rating. Again, a bit of a deceiving advertising practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    . I think Americans over-spec for towing sometimes.
    fer sure, my 1050 lb UTV is rated to tow 1500 lbs, and does it no problem

    I think more people should watch the movie "The Long Long Trailer"

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    Yes, but most vehicles rate the GCWR at tow wt plus vehicle and they give like a 1800-200# allowance for the driver. I'm sure some are a bit different, but can be deceiving. The other thing to watch is many tow ratings are very limited unless you have a WDH. Some halfer trucks are limited to 5k unless you have a WDH then it jumps to the max advertised tow rating. Again, a bit of a deceiving advertising practice.
    I figured you knew all the differences. That was more directed at someone unsure if trailer weight was included in towed weight.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Wrangler. You can take the roof and doors off.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    What is wdh and what is tongue weight

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    You won't really need a wdh for what you're looking to do.

    Tongue weight is the amount of towed weight that is carried by the tow vehicle. For bumper pull, figure 10% of what your towed weight is will equal your tongue weight if the trailer is loaded correctly.

    Your tongue weight counts towards your payload figure since it is carried, not just pulled by, the tow vehicle.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    A 17' Montauk with trailer is around 2,000 to 2,200. You don't mention how far you are going to tow, but that's pretty easy. If you are going in the ocean 4wd helps a lot as with 10' tidal swing, ramps are usually wet and sometimes have marine plant growth, which is an amazing lubricant.

    In New England trailer brakes are not required for anything under 3,000 lbs.

    Edit: not enough weight to justify a load equalizing hitch.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Southern NH to Great Bay and Newfound Lake.

    So, if u count 10% for the payload, do u only count 90 toward the tow capacity?

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Short answer is no, pulled weight and carried weight are separate limits.

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    I shouldn't have mentioned weight distributing hitches. I doubt the Jeep manuf wants you to use one with that vehicle, and not sure one on the Toyota would do any good either.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    Southern NH to Great Bay and Newfound Lake.

    So, if u count 10% for the payload, do u only count 90 toward the tow capacity?
    There are two weight ratings: gross vehicle weight (what you have in the truck) and gross combined weight rating, which is the weight of both the truck and what you are towing.

    SAE has a standard for computing tow ratings, but only some manufacturers follow it. And as mentioned, for whatever reasons US tow ratings for many vehicles are conservative (or zero!). I guess they have to plan to tow over the continental divide!

    Towing a 17' boat with either vehicle you mention shouldn't be a big deal. You are looking at a couple hundred pounds tongue weight.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    The Jeep will be more fun in the summers and for just tooling around with the top and doors off.

    The Taco will be more useful for towing and for any hauling.

    Overall, the Taco would probably be much more usable and versatile. I wouldn't want to really tow with a Jeep.

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    I used to tow a 16' bowrider with a CJ7. Windy days were an "adventure". Short wheelbase/narrow track plus tail heavy boat made for a really strange cg and stability combo.

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    I towed a landscape trailer full of firewood once with a CJ5... I thought I was going to die

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    Re: '14 wrangler vs '16 tacoma

    Towing with a JKU is not even in the same universe of comparison as towing with a CJx. The only thing the 4 door has trouble with while towing is passing power.

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    TRD...offroad (or Pro). the tires on the sport are the same as an SR5 and kinda suck in the snow.

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