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    Im more offended by all the facebook posts than anything. If you care that much about thanking a troop, write on THEIR wall. I dont need to be reminded by every person on my facebook by some general picture. Do something that benefits the actual people that you wish to thank.

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    Actually I believe it was the post Vietnam period that was anomalous.

    Patriotism and militarism were always very evident.

    Every morning in cities around the Earth many people get up thinking of ways to kill your children

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb1 View Post
    I would disagree with that sentiment, seems to me my generation (I'm mid-20's) have a very strong understanding of these holidays. We were right at that age where it hits home the most when 911 happened. And many of us know friends/siblings/family members in our age bracket deployed abroad.

    Also - would probably be a wise idea for the European's here to say a thank-you to our troops as well. If it weren't for the sacrifice of US service men and women you would all be German right now...
    just so you know this country was founded by Europeans. I still disagree though about our generation (im the same age) and their beliefs and morals on these holidays and what a holiday really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    We praise our troops during the holidays because they aren't able to spend the holidays as we can due to their service. It's common to thanks 'em whenever possible for ALL their sacrfices. There's many holidays that have nothing directly to do with our troops. As Americans we owe a HUGE debt of gratitude for our VOLUNTEER forces, and if thanking them through every holiday is another way to do that, then that's the way it is...
    can never give enough praise for all the guys and gals who put their life on the line for our cause(s).

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    I think it is also right to remember the real meaning behind the particular holiday also though, and It disappoints me to see exaggerated Facebook anecdotes about 150lb backpacks and 130 degree heat for 48 days straight across 900 miles of desert etc etc. that's the stuff that is entirely inappropriate and degrading to the folks who have given all or are currently serving.
    How is it degrading for people to recognize and thank the troops for what they have done/are doing? I spoke via satellite phone with my best friend (since kinder garden) from Afghanistan yesterday. I told him how hot it was here (low 90s), he said add 45 degrees to that and that's what they are dealing with in full gear and un-air conditioned humvees while probing transit routes for IEDs. I'm pretty fucking thankful that he's making that sacrifice so I don't have too. I currently have 3 friends and two family members deployed over there, so yup it hits close to home. Sorry if I'm getting a little heated about it quick.

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    its funny because I am doing my paperwork for my citizenship and the stuff we learn about american history nobody at my work or school knows/remembers.and as degsy very well said unfortunatelly most (younger) people dont know the meaning behind the holidays. for most people its an extra day, 4th of july is fireworks, memorial day is cookouts, thanksgiving is drinking.
    I would disagree with that sentiment, seems to me my generation (I'm mid-20's) have a very strong understanding of these holidays. We were right at that age where it hits home the most when 911 happened. And many of us know friends/siblings/family members in our age bracket deployed abroad.

    Also - would probably be a wise idea for the European's here to say a thank-you to our troops as well. If it weren't for the sacrifice of US service men and women you would all be German right now...
    Just so you know, there is no place on earth that is 135 degrees F. Not even close in Afghanistan or Iraq.

    And the "you'd all be speaking German right now" comment shows exactly the ignorance about world affairs that Savvas is talking about.


    Quick edit. I guess my data is old, there are places that register over 135 on occasion, but afghanistan is not one of them. The temperature in Afghanistan rarely hits 100.

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    Just so you know, there is no place on earth that is 135 degrees F. Not even close in Afghanistan or Iraq.

    And the "you'd all be speaking German right now" comment shows exactly the ignorance about world affairs that Savvas is talking about.
    Because you're there right now, so you know??

    Please enlighten me on world affairs ... I love it when this happens.

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    dude just forget it

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    dude just forget it
    You're right, I really shouldn't let those that know it all about everything bother me...i'm getting out of this thread, too nice out!

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    You too so arrogant (sorry if i killed the spelling) I am willing to put a big bet you would fail a citizenship test.
    oh and as far as the weather goes (not that I really care about that part) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._ever_recorded

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    How about the fact that Europe struggled against the Germans for years before the US were interested in getting involved, and hundreds of thousands of non Americans died alomgside and before american troops arrived in europe.

    You are forcing me to point this stuff out to you and I'm going to get flamed for it, but the fact of the matter is that millions of Jews, Handicapped and gypsies would have been saved had pearl harbor happened two years earlier.

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    How about the fact that Europe struggled against the Germans for years before the US were interested in getting involved, and hundreds of thousands of non Americans died alomgside and before american troops arrived in europe.

    You are forcing me to point this stuff out to you and I'm going to get flamed for it, but the fact of the matter is that millions of Jews, Handicapped and gypsies would have been saved had pearl harbor happened two years earlier.
    I've been reading this thread and didn't plan on commenting....but how the hell was this America's problem? Just like Iraq and Afghanistan shouldn't have been.

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    73000 us troops landed on Normandy beaches on d day.
    61000 British troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    You too so arrogant (sorry if i killed the spelling) I am willing to put a big bet you would fail a citizenship test.
    I doubt that, either way I was born and raised here and studied American History at the college level, I don't need to take the test, or question that we thank our troops while celebrating the holidays.

    And to your weather comment - so 115 - 120 with the sun high in the sky in a dry dessert wouldn't feel like 135 degrees? I'm not getting your point, rather than trying to question what our service men and women are dealing with abroad how about's enlisting yourself and seeing first hand..

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    If you don't thank the troops every single day and twice on holidays then you hate America.


    That's pretty much my observation.

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    How about the fact that Europe struggled against the Germans for years before the US were interested in getting involved, and hundreds of thousands of non Americans died alomgside and before american troops arrived in europe.

    You are forcing me to point this stuff out to you and I'm going to get flamed for it, but the fact of the matter is that millions of Jews, Handicapped and gypsies would have been saved had pearl harbor happened two years earlier.
    I never said Europe didn't put up a fight, what I said was if the US did not step into the war, for whatever the reason, Europe would have been lost to Germany. London was under constant German barrage and it was only a matter of time before the Nazis crossed the channel, it's the channel that bought England the time in the first place. It's that ungrateful attitude that is frustrating. Sorry that we are grateful for our firefighters, our policemen, our service men and women, and take the time to thank them on the holidays. Personally, I would rather be over-grateful than the other way.

    Gah - I'm sucked in and can't escape the debate!

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    As of right now your service man and women have nobusiness being abroad so I'm sorry I'm don't feel that bad so I post a stupid pic on my fb about (if that's what you considering honoring someone). My question was not why you honor them on your holidays but what other holidays exist. Anyways I don't feel like arguing with anyone about stuff that we don't control. You and I will never be at 145f wearther neither one of us has been at war. Both of us are alive and. Free today because other people have died and fought for us.
    I'm not American, I respect it as a nation and country. It has provided me with a lot of things my country couldn't. I stand up on the American anthem and respect every speech or event I have attended about troops and public servants. I am against any kind of war and nobody will ever change my mind about that.
    Kb you are right it is too nice out. If you off let's go for a ride I'll be out soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I've been reading this thread and didn't plan on commenting....but how the hell was this America's problem? Just like Iraq and Afghanistan shouldn't have been.
    We need to separate politics from supporting the troops. Why they are wherever, is a different set of concerns/issues...
    But once there we should give 100% support for the troops.
    The USA forgot to separate the politics from troop support during and after Vietnam. Returning vets were openly slandered, ridiculed, and protested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    If you don't thank the troops every single day and twice on holidays then you hate America.


    That's pretty much my observation.
    But only if you "share" a post saying you do on Facebook. You cant actually do anything personal, like thanking a solider themselves.

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    Also - would probably be a wise idea for the European's here to say a thank-you to our troops as well. If it weren't for the sacrifice of US service men and women you would all be German right now...
    Wow.
    Ugly American much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsiliconkid View Post
    We need to separate politics from supporting the troops. Why they are wherever, is a different set of concerns/issues...
    But once there we should give 100% support for the troops.
    The USA forgot to separate the politics from troop support during and after Vietnam. Returning vets were openly slandered, ridiculed, and protested.
    True. Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb1 View Post
    I doubt that, either way I was born and raised here and studied American History at the college level, I don't need to take the test, or question that we thank our troops while celebrating the holidays.

    And to your weather comment - so 115 - 120 with the sun high in the sky in a dry dessert wouldn't feel like 135 degrees? I'm not getting your point, rather than trying to question what our service men and women are dealing with abroad how about's enlisting yourself and seeing first hand..

    Pretty sure most enlisted people hate accountants more than the Taliban.


    tsorfas posted a question about an observation that is completely true. Then it resorted to this.

    Glad we can show that nothing is more American than DON'T QUESTION THE ROLE OF THE MILITARY.

    Worked great for Egypt.

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    ^ this Mofo is a funny dude. im surprised I havent met him in person yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    But only if you "share" a post saying you do on Facebook. You cant actually do anything personal, like thanking a solider themselves.
    I did, yesterday, via satellite phone. My wife and I also sent him and his platoon a care-package with almost $500 in different items he said they needed the last time I spoke with him.

    I'm not saying the facebook stuff isn't sometimes over the top, I never post any of that stuff on my facebook. However, I look at it this way, at least the person is posting a thank you to the troops rather than another one of those dumb old fashioned pictures with a quote under it.

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    Pretty sure most enlisted people hate accountants more than the Taliban.


    tsorfas posted a question about an observation that is completely true. Then it resorted to this.

    Glad we can show that nothing is more American than DON'T QUESTION THE ROLE OF THE MILITARY.

    Worked great for Egypt.
    Yep, I definitely blew this thread up a little, can you tell it's 4th of July week and I'm an accountant in a nearly empty office? Bit too much time on my hands. I'll calm down now.

    Had to drop this in, this is a pic posted on facebook by one of NESRs own in Iraq right now (non-military), taken just a couple days ago in the shade. Doesn't get very hot huh? Ok now I'm done!


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    Quote Originally Posted by kb1 View Post
    Yep, I definitely blew this thread up a little, can you tell it's 4th of July week and I'm an accountant in a nearly empty office? Bit too much time on my hands. I'll calm down now.
    Just keep in mind, he isn't from this country, didn't know about the super-sensitivity and overly defensive nature about anything that could be remotely related to our troops.

    If that is one thing this country is good at, it's hyping something up beyond what it should be to be of any good. I for one am nearly completely numbed at all the over the top blind patriotism since 9/11.

    I also find it humorous that the same people who spatter FB with "support your troops" stuff also post pictures of their commander and leader as a monkey.

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