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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup


    Quote Originally Posted by Crconnor18 View Post
    And where can you have a Rivian fixed/maintained locally? Is there Dealer/technician support network being shared so you can get recalls and software updates cleared up?

    I’d say the Lightening is the safe move until Rivian is able to build a network similar to Tesla has.
    Yeah, but for a company car??!! I'd go Rivian all day long cause, why not?

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by Crconnor18 View Post
    And where can you have a Rivian fixed/maintained locally? Is there Dealer/technician support network being shared so you can get recalls and software updates cleared up?

    I’d say the Lightening is the safe move until Rivian is able to build a network similar to Tesla has.
    Very valid point

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Yeah, but for a company car??!! I'd go Rivian all day long cause, why not?
    See above lol. I was thinking R1T too though.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    You really want some good old boy Ford mechanics working on an electric?

    They have a hard enough time keeping their ICE vehicles going.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    You really want some good old boy Ford mechanics working on an electric?

    They have a hard enough time keeping their ICE vehicles going.
    Not disagreeing

    I think all automotive technicians are on a relatively steep learning curve with the electrification of the vehicles. Hope is that Ford would have a core group of skilled technicians trained in the drivetrain of the Lightning/Mach E (mustang) and the remaining mechanical is the same as the mechanical on the entire line of Ford vehicles.

    Rivian probably doesn't have the depth of staff spread throughout the country yet that Ford does or the training department that being one of the big 3 can fund to get what staff they do have trained up.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Rivian all the way.


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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    Not disagreeing

    I think all automotive technicians are on a relatively steep learning curve with the electrification of the vehicles. Hope is that Ford would have a core group of skilled technicians trained in the drivetrain of the Lightning/Mach E (mustang) and the remaining mechanical is the same as the mechanical on the entire line of Ford vehicles.

    Rivian probably doesn't have the depth of staff spread throughout the country yet that Ford does or the training department that being one of the big 3 can fund to get what staff they do have trained up.
    Most comments deriding domestic brands seem to come from Gen X’ers.

    Chevrolets had the lowest ownership cost in our fleet, Ford in the middle, Honda the highest. Ford truck service departments were the best we dealt with. YMMV.

    A hybrid pickup or van makes sense to me, despite the reduction in room. Pickups are so gigantic that space efficiency isn’t a big concern.

    A current technology EV in the snow belt does not make sense to me. Cold temps reduce battery capacity, and range is further reduced by the need to heat the cabin. For someone commuting locally and able to charge at both ends, operating costs could potentially be really low, but that’s a niche market for most families or businesses.

    Toyota has been accused of being behind on EV’s and battery technology, but stay tuned. To my mind they are trying to produce an EV that could actually replace an ICE truck. They’ve been working on solid state battery technology.

    https://insideevs.com/news/460244/to...tery-detailed/

    “ Solid state batteries can have several times the energy density, they no longer use aqueous electrolyte solutions and they reduce the risk of fire in an accident. Instead of the liquid or polymer gel electrodes, a solid state battery (as its name suggests) uses solid electrodes and a solid electrolyte.

    From an end user’s point of view, a solid state battery will drastically reduce recharging times, making the experience not that much longer than the act of filling an ICE vehicle up with fuel. Toyota says that its new SUV will be fully charged from flat in 10 minutes and that this will grant it a range of 500 km.

    It is worth noting, though, that solid state batteries are known to not perform too well in cold temperatures and their long-term durability was also brought into question in the past. Toyota has not specifically mentioned these two aspects in any of its press releases on the matter, but these have certainly been at least two of the challenges the manufacturer faced in creating solid state batteries designed for longer term use.”

    Manufacturers are getting around reduced capacity in cold temps by heating the battery pack. A plug-in hybrid seems to fit a much broader market segment.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Toyota was also actively trying to prevent mass adoption of EV’s politically. Huge stain on their credibility.

    Of course they did a complete 180 on the last year from when their own president said EV’s aren’t the future. Then they show a bunch of vehicles in a picture with no technical specs as a “see? Us too!” play.

    Gen-X’ers shit on domestics because of ownership experiences that are dramatically different from the view of a business owner with fleet vehicles.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    Relevant link: https://www.motortrend.com/news/actu...s-head-of-r-d/


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    This bit: "The plan is to have them on sale in the early 2020s." made me realize the article is from 2017... hopefully it's still relevant?

    I'd LOVE an all electric Tacoma or equivalent but me thinks I'd need a hybrid if I still expect to haul the trailer long distances.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Most comments deriding domestic brands seem to come from Gen X’ers.

    YMMV.
    Collective YMMV is data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Toyota was also actively trying to prevent mass adoption of EV’s politically. Huge stain on their credibility. ///.
    Was that Japan, US, or both? Didn’t follow EV development too closely other than eBikes.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
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    Gen-X’ers shit on domestics because of ownership experiences that are dramatically different from the view of a business owner with fleet vehicles.
    My theory is quite different.

    Boomers lived through the truly terrible cars of the late 60’s and ‘70’s. Manufacturers were overwhelmed by safety and ‘emmissions requirements, while still wedded to yearly styling changes. The cars were slow, poor handling, rust prone and inefficient. I worked for an automotive OEM, visited many GM and Ford assembly plants with UAW labor, and saw this first hand.

    Unlike most of the Silent Generation, both mainstream and counterculture Boomers were willing to try imports. The impact of Deming’s quality control approach started to be noticeable, and the Japanese opened American design studios to tailor their models to U.S. needs. And the oil crisis hit.

    Gen Xers were raised by a generation whose domestic ownership was terrible. Domestic brands had to get better, and they have. So Gen Y’ers are less wedded to country of origin: quite understandably, since every major manufacturer now has U.S. assembly.

    No dog in the fight, owned eight different brands, loyal to none.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    "Toyota lobbies US government in its increasingly delusional effort to slow down electric vehicles"

    https://electrek.co/2021/03/17/toyot...tric-vehicles/

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    Collective YMMV is data.

    Data:

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    Not disputing any of that: but long term cost of ownership is not considered. Just purchased a 2001 Toyota for entertainment.

    Edmunds.con has a five year “True Cost Of Ownership” calculation. They make simplifying assumptions, but for comparisons it can be quite useful.

    https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html

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    what's tow capacity of these things and what does that do for range/battery life? Like can you tow a small or mid sized enclosed trailer for a 5 hour round trip drive without recharge?

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Not disputing any of that: but long term cost of ownership is not considered. Just purchased a 2001 Toyota for entertainment.

    Edmunds.con has a five year “True Cost Of Ownership” calculation. They make simplifying assumptions, but for comparisons it can be quite useful.

    https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
    It depends on your fleet, and your length of ownership.

    https://autowise.com/carmakers-with-...over-10-years/


    here is 10 year table. here USA is at best average, and Japan is on top:
    Here comes the electric pickup-carmakers-cheapest-maintenance-costs-chart

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEO View Post
    what's tow capacity of these things and what does that do for range/battery life? Like can you tow a small or mid sized enclosed trailer for a 5 hour round trip drive without recharge?
    Basic physics laws apply to these just like gas. Your "mileage" suffers greatly. In a gasser we complain because it costs us a lot more and we fill more often.

    In an EV you also have to charge more often but the "lesser MPG" bullet is a lot easier to swallow for the inconvenience.

    Adding a serious weight trailer can half your expected range. Smaller trailers would have a less detrimental effect.

    EV's in general are very vulnerable to towing things because part of their range comes from very clever slip stream low drag coefficient design.

    Trailers are quite the opposite of that and don't play by efficient rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Toyota was also actively trying to prevent mass adoption of EV’s politically. Huge stain on their credibility.

    Of course they did a complete 180 on the last year from when their own president said EV’s aren’t the future.
    Yeah, that didn't make a lot of sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    "Toyota lobbies US government in its increasingly delusional effort to slow down electric vehicles"

    https://electrek.co/2021/03/17/toyot...tric-vehicles/
    It's not the popular opinion because it doesn't fit the views of those living in unicornville, but Toyota has a lot of excellent points that EV supporters all around seem to want to just gloss over. A lot of those Musk has also echoed.

    I think the comment "Toyota, please don’t try to ruin the party for everyone just because you were late to it" is extremely off base. As I've said earlier, their tech and decades of experience should be easily scalable to a full EV. Outside of marketing hype I wouldn't be surprised if they're on par or even ahead of many other manufacturers all around, you just don't see the flash about it. My bet would be that behind the scenes they are a lot further along and better positioned than a lot of people think they are.

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by CEO View Post
    what's tow capacity of these things and what does that do for range/battery life? Like can you tow a small or mid sized enclosed trailer for a 5 hour round trip drive without recharge?
    someone was cool enough to make this question a website:

    https://electrictowcars.com/electric...Over_10000_lbs

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    Work acquaintance of mine was up in Alaska at the national parks. In the middle of nowhere, like hundreds of miles away from fuel or civilization…. Saw some poor sod in a Model 3 towing a trailer going about 7 mph because it suddenly dawned on him how fucked he was. Not sure what happened, but I’m guessing he was stuck out there quite some time.


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    An “Oh Shit” way to charge some EV’s is to just drag them down the road & use the dynamic brake for regeneration. Probably not very efficient but works.

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    Yeah, he had like a 5000-watt generator on the trailer. Bet that took some time.


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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by CEO View Post
    what's tow capacity of these things and what does that do for range/battery life? Like can you tow a small or mid sized enclosed trailer for a 5 hour round trip drive without recharge?
    I’ll let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    Yeah, he had like a 5000-watt generator on the trailer. Bet that took some time.


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    If he does everything just right he could probably charge at 10-15 miles of range per hour.

    Not going to be enough to charge you from empty but should certainly get you enough miles to go somewhere with civilization in an emergency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    If he does everything just right he could probably charge at 10-15 miles of range per hour.

    Not going to be enough to charge you from empty but should certainly get you enough miles to go somewhere with civilization in an emergency.
    In AK? Cars carry extra fuel due to the distances involved sometimes. That dude could be SOL for quite a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    In AK? Cars carry extra fuel due to the distances involved sometimes. That dude could be SOL for quite a while.
    True, missed the good part

    like hundreds of miles away from fuel or civilization

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    Interesting.

    https://insideevs.com/news/556375/el...er-range-loss/

    “Winter weather is something that every EV driver needs to keep in mind. Losing 10% or 20% of available range on a cold day could mean extra charging stops and longer charge times. That is especially important around the holidays, when families are traveling farther and definitely need to get where they are going. No one wants to spend Christmas morning in line at a fast-charging station.”

    The Chevy Volt IC engine comes on by default at 34°, not sure if that impacts this result.

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