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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    As battery storage get more common, it will fill in more and more. My sister has a double Tesla power wall at home. Part of the deal is that the power company can draw down her batteries at peak times. And they do. They draw it right down to 0 at times and then backfill it at night.
    Just went to the website and there is no option for just the PowerWall: all the options include solar panels.

    Our house in Boston is poorly situated for solar: large trees in the way. Can you just buy the battery pack?

    There’s a guy on NASIOC who bought an old data center UPS. He replaced the batteries, and wound up with a system that could run his house for 2-8 hours. There was construction on his street so they had frequent outages. Don’t think he had more than $3,000 into it. The biggest issue was picking it up and moving it.

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    I'm not saying nuclear isn't an option.

    But it shouldn't be the only option.

    When nuclear goes wrong, the impacts are devastating and catastrophic. And the plants being decommissioned locally are mostly well past their originally planned useful operating life. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    It's also incredibly slow to build and connect to the grid due to the complexity.

    Keep building new, modern, safe nuclear power plants. But also pick up the pace of on-shore and off-shore wind, and solar.

    With the inevitable electrification of the transportation sector (we have to. There is no "continue to dump massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere" option), we'll need to upgrade our grid to be resilient, smart, and efficient. We also need storage for solar/wind since it isn't "on-demain". Currently, the way New England fills in those power peaks are by on-demand natural gas electricity generation. While cleaner than coal/oil/etc, it's still not ideal. That is where nuclear fits in. Smaller, fast responding nuclear plants are a great option for times of no sun/wind, or peak energy demands.

    As battery storage gets better, more and more peaks can be filled in with storage capacity from excess solar/wind power and nuclear will be needed even less.
    ... And fund development of Fusion power production

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Just went to the website and there is no option for just the PowerWall: all the options include solar panels.

    Our house in Boston is poorly situated for solar: large trees in the way. Can you just buy the battery pack?

    There’s a guy on NASIOC who bought an old data center UPS. He replaced the batteries, and wound up with a system that could run his house for 2-8 hours. There was construction on his street so they had frequent outages. Don’t think he had more than $3,000 into it. The biggest issue was picking it up and moving it.
    I'm not sure about that as they do have solar as well, but it would seem to make sense that a powerwall alone could be charged by the grid only off peak. It seems like a no brainer

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    Re: Here comes the electric pickup

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    I'm not sure about that as they do have solar as well, but it would seem to make sense that a powerwall alone could be charged by the grid only off peak. It seems like a no brainer
    Besides the really high cost and minimal return on your investment financially... It looks like the powerwall is around $7,500-$10,000ish.

    If you have money burning a hole in your wallet it makes sense.

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    New Englands power grid is currently 30% nuclear

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Besides the really high cost and minimal return on your investment financially... It looks like the powerwall is around $7,500-$10,000ish.

    If you have money burning a hole in your wallet it makes sense.
    Well, it's an integral backup system that can seamlessly power a 3000 plus sq ft home for 3-4 days without conserving. When you live on a mountain top in VT it can make good sense. Sometimes good solutions are expensive and/or needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Well, it's an integral backup system that can seamlessly power a 3000 plus sq ft home for 3-4 days without conserving. When you live on a mountain top in VT it can make good sense. Sometimes good solutions are expensive and/or needed.
    Ok. In that situation it definitely makes sense. Not sure it applies to a broader set of circumstances though.

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    I don't know what kind of a kickback they get for that grid tie in setup, but a generator system that could power the place seamlessly would likely cost similar. and most people might not do two.

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    How long will your EV truck power a home? Ford shows it running a very large house...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUZ720 View Post
    How long will your EV truck power a home? Ford shows it running a very large house...
    They claim 3-10 days.

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    i know on the Bolt ev forums people have somehow connected their cars to back feed the house. and these have a "small" 68 kWh battery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    I don't know what kind of a kickback they get for that grid tie in setup, but a generator system that could power the place seamlessly would likely cost similar. and most people might not do two.
    I was also thinking in your sister's scenario getting fuel for a generator to the top of a mountain in Vermont might also be a challenge/expense. Powerwall would definitely be easier there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    They claim 3-10 days.
    If that's the case then maybe our vehicles will be our power walls. But you can't leave home for too long. Lol

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    The amount of batteries stacked up in that shop makes me twitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Well, it's an integral backup system that can seamlessly power a 3000 plus sq ft home for 3-4 days without conserving. When you live on a mountain top in VT it can make good sense. Sometimes good solutions are expensive and/or needed.
    Left our Gen set in Automatic mode summer 2020. At the end of the summer there was a several day power outage.

    Burned several hundred dollars worth of propane for absolutely nothing. Now it’s shut off until freeze season.

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    Why was it for nothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    Why was it for nothing?
    Guessing it is at his cabin not the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    Why was it for nothing?
    No one there, no need for heat.

    Makes one feel very stupid….

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    Oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    The amount of batteries stacked up in that shop makes me twitch.
    What could go wrong?????

    I can't imagine a fire including that amount of batteries or any large energy storage device would be easy to handle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    If that's the case then maybe our vehicles will be our power walls. But you can't leave home for too long. Lol

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    You will need a carbon powered backup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    What could go wrong?????

    I can't imagine a fire including that amount of batteries or any large energy storage device would be easy to handle
    Yeah... Lots of juice and shit that gets pissy with water is generally annoying. We had a fire in a large municipal gas generator, electric company was there and said you can put it out in about 15 minutes or so.

    There's a Tesla service station in my district so I did a walk through with our crew. Turns out they're less reactive when discharged but will still be an issue to extinguish, dry chem and sand mostly. They keep all the spares outside and away from the building, but they still have a ton of vehicles inside and the shocker for me was the tire usage. They go through a ton of tires due to the weight of the vehicles so they have a metric fuck ton of old tires on site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    They go through a ton of tires due to the weight of the vehicles
    Not surprising. Was driving this summer with windows down and noticed a Tesla approaching and passing me. Was amazed at how loud the tire noise coming from the vehicle was. Figured it was an electric vehicle it would be relatively quiet, it was not due to the tire noise.

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    You should hear the grinding/scratching sound my 4XE makes at lower speeds to 'help pedestrians be aware of your vehicle'. Sounds like failed wheel bearings to me, absolutely hate it.

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