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    Question The last debate


    Did it change your view on anything, or are you still the same bitter neo-con/liberal-bitch you were before hand...








    BTW I loved when j.k. said(paraphrasing) I want to bring jobs back to the U.S.A.------- I want to buy prescription drugs from canada ...... Maybe it's me, but those are two opposite ends of the spectrum

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    Regardless of one's political affiliation, I think that this debate has to be a win for Bush. I'll concede that he lost the first one, but he did very well, last night. Kerry was on the defensive and he still has not said anything of substance. Bush is simply the better man for the job.

    For me, I could see Bush as a friend of my family, but Kerry is not someone my family or friends might associate with. That is breaking this race down to the simplest of things. Bush is a likeable guy, Kerry is a stuck-up snob. IMHO

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    Well well well.....I've watched my first Presidential debate yesterday. Interesting. I like Bush. I don't like Kerry. Bush seems friendly, a more "simple" guy like the rest f us. Kerry's face I can't stand it. Indeed, seems like a stuck up snob. They both said good things. BUT...I was laughing when Kerry tried to attack Bush about the borders not being safe and that nothing changed. NOT TRUE. A little while after 9/11, they placed army guys on 91 )or are they US marshalls?) when you go thru White River. They've been there since, stopping every damn car, and looking inside, asking questions "Are you an american citizen? Where are you coming from, where are you going?...etc..." so now it's like I have to go thru the borders twice. I think they are looking for Middle Eastern people more than anything. They are positioned at the rest area just after White River exit 10S. They also have new equipment at the borders...it looks like a giant arm, and cars and trucks pass under that thing...not sure what it does, maybe scan the vehicles?

    And now about the health care system. Bush got it right again. And I KNOW what I'm talking about. I am from Canada. THe healthcare system SUCKS. It's free ok...but the service you get is crappy, they lack of personnal and speciality physicians (OBGYN...), it takes forever to have tests results, or to see a doctor for cancer, etc. people die because they didn't get to see a specialist on time. I agree that healthcare costs here are exorbitants (way too high), but you get good service anyway. I've been on both sides, so I can attest about the BIG difference. And the poor? They get Medicaid.

    I think I'd like to see Bush get re-elected. Oh well...

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    Originally posted by MissTwisties


    And now about the health care system. Bush got it right again. And I KNOW what I'm talking about. I am from Canada. THe healthcare system SUCKS. It's free ok...but the service you get is crappy, they lack of personnal and speciality physicians (OBGYN...), it takes forever to have tests results, or to see a doctor for cancer, etc. people die because they didn't get to see a specialist on time. I agree that healthcare costs here are exorbitants (way too high), but you get good service anyway. I've been on both sides, so I can attest about the BIG difference. And the poor? They get Medicaid.
    Apparently you watched, but did not listen.

    Kerry is NOT for a government funded free healthcare system in the US. He is trying to create a large scale group buy-in utilizing PRIVATE HMO's and PPO's that is available to the citizens of the US. Since it will be on such a large scale, a significant discount can be given to the members of this plan.

    I don't want someone friendly who I would like to have over for dinner as my president. I vote on meaningful issues.

    I still like how Hillman on WAAF this morning was harping on Kerry for saying "We are all God's children". I guess it's selective hearing since he spent the next minute and a half talking about how even though he was a Catholic, he does not think his religious beliefs should be made into legislation and forced upon other people. Bush dodged this bullet by reverting back to "he voted against partial birth abortions". Bush neglects to bring up WHY. I suppose the health of the mother takes a backseat to religious beliefs and "convictions". Even if I disagree with something like that, that is MY opinion, and I sure as hell wouldn't want someone elses opinion made into law.

    I think Bush's "convictions" and "resolve" are true and meaningful, but he lacks the logic and understanding of EVERYONE in the nation to make them useful. Bush appeals and represents the vast majority. Kerry is getting heat for standing up for everyone.

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    I did listen. I never said that Kerry wanted to implement free healthcare either. I just said that Bush was right when he stated that healthcare systems sucks in many other countries. I've had better health care since I'm here than ever before when I used to live in Canada. The price you pay here is still way too high, and middle class people have a hard time paying for it. Our healthcare plan cost near $700 for a family of 4, per month, thru my husband employer...HMO with Connecticare.

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    nah Bush is a fake. he's really a mean tough guy. it's either you'r for us or you'r against us. i really dont see any wisdom in Bush.

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    For me, I could see Bush as a friend of my family, but Kerry is not someone my family or friends might associate with. That is breaking this race down to the simplest of things. Bush is a likeable guy, Kerry is a stuck-up snob. IMHO
    I like Bush. I don't like Kerry. Bush seems friendly, a more "simple" guy like the rest f us. Kerry's face I can't stand it. Indeed, seems like a stuck up snob.
    This is what really scares me about this country. Both of you seem to be basing your votes on how someone appears on TV as opposed to substance.

    Call me a stuck up Snob but I think we have gotten to the point where a large # of the people in this country have become mindless vegetables who sit in front of the TV for half their life and believe whatever they are told without thinking critically about things. (Not accusing either of you personally of this, it is a general fear)

    I don't care if you like Bush, but this is the WORST reason.

    No matter which side you are on, you should be pushing hard for your party to produce a candidate who is smart, tough, and prepared, not someone who is groomed to look & sound good on TV.

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    Ben,

    I think you know me well enough by now that I am not basing my vote on the personality of George Bush. I was simply breaking it down to very, very simple terms. Yes, I like him, but my reasons for voting for him go much deeper than that, and you know it. I don't think I need to elaborate any beyond that. We have gone round and round on this topic and you and everyone else knows why I am voting for Bush. I do my homework and I follow this stuff pretty closely, so mine is an informed decision. I will agree that there are many mindless idiots out there, but I am not one of them. So, don't throw me into that category.

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    Well, I don't consider myself a "mindless idiot" either. I'm very smart and knowledgable on many things. But when it comes to politics, I cannot critisize much about it, because I don't know much about it. I HATE politics with all my heart. I frankly find no interest in this bullshit. Yesterday was an attempt for me to be "interested" when I watched the debate, and educate myself. And YES, I did listen and tried to make an opinion on what was said, not only their look. Not his fault if Kerry's face looks like one of those caricatural drawing artists make...lollll But the thing is, I have little knowledge about many things they talked about, things that I do not personally care to learn about either. At least, I won't go and make opinions on things I know shit about. I commented on two things that I have some knowledge about, and that's it. And it happens that on those two things, I agreed with Bush. Frankly, probably both of them can do good and bad things to this country...I guess everyone will know soon enough.

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    (Not accusing either of you personally of this, it is a general fear)
    Read the whole post before responding.

    (edit: evidence of stronger wording which was deleted removed. )

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    Originally posted by benVFR
    Read the whole post before getting responding.
    rtfp?

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    I did I did!!

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    Hey Ben,



    I guess I will have to pick up in place of mstree as the resident pain in the ass!!!!!



    You liberal pansy

    hehehehehehe.........

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    and then you go and read stuff like this?

    http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/14/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

    How did we go from a surplus to this bad in less than 4?

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    Originally posted by TheIglu
    He is trying to create a large scale group buy-in utilizing PRIVATE HMO's and PPO's that is available to the citizens of the US. Since it will be on such a large scale, a significant discount can be given to the members of this plan.


    Okay, first let me say my wife has our family covered under her employer, with dental and health at under $90 a month.... I like the plan she has also....And the company she works for pays her well and covers most of the medical.


    Now to the heart of the matter. The reason we are covered under her plan is due to my companys benefits. I have stated many times I work for a very small company, as such we do not have a HR dept, so we use a company for such things as payroll, HR, and healthcare. What this company does is goes to the providers(now keep in mind this is just what kerry wants to impliment according to you) and says hey we have 400 people we need to buy healthcare for, what price will you give it to us for??? When I got the yearly sign up for benefits package to cover just myself I would have to pay 50% of my take home each month, and to cover my family I would be paying 85% of my take home. I cannot just cover my children either, it's single or whole family(oh and that's just medical, not dental). If I go to bluecross and just want to cover my children with a better plan then provided( i know because I researched before signing up with my wife) for less then 25% of my takehome pay.

    Now if you can tell me what makes kerry's plan better then the one my company has, then that would be awesome. Now if he had something like, we are going to make employers get fair costs and benefits for employees, then it would make sense. Who is going to make up the difference, me(OOP) or is he going to raise my taxes to pay for the expenses???

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    I like the part when Kerry quoted Bush about not being concerned about Bin Laden and Bush denied saying it. Even though it was on live TV just a few weeks ago. Liar liar pants on fire.

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    Originally posted by snowborder
    and then you go and read stuff like this?

    http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/14/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

    How did we go from a surplus to this bad in less than 4?


    well one reason my be the debt relief to airline companies after 9-11, oh then there is this little thing in the middle east that we have been fightin for , oh I don't know 2 years

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    BTW did kerry vote for or against a pay raise for senators.......... or did he just miss that vote

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    yep and when will it stop?

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    With respect to health care...

    I'm not sure I understand whatever Kerry is trying to cook up anyway, although in theory I think it would work.


    I was paying my own health care the last two years, it was like $300 month for me, as a young, healthy individual with no kids or spouse.

    I'm sure yours would be insane just like mine was... Just multipled by like 10x if you have a wife and young children.

    Kerry's plan would ideally stick you or I in a huge group, which would lower our rates massively. Maybe more than a company can do now.

    The current system basically screws you if you aren't in a company group, he seems to want to basically create a nationwide group for people who can't get into a company group.

    It would probably just piss insurance companies off as it would make it harder to stick it to some people.

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    Originally posted by benVFR

    Kerry's plan would ideally stick you or I in a huge group, which would lower our rates massively. Maybe more than a company can do now.



    I hope you didn't take my 400 people thing seriously, I think this company(representative for lack of a better term, as I cannt use thier name) has quite a few more then 400 people to get heatlhcare for. It doesn't make a difference on how many people go to the same plan(IMO) because the providers still have to pay the hospital and the doctors(I have an aunt that works for BC/BS RI and when I was younger used to help her go through claims) it's amazing what a band-aid, and or tylenol cost when you go to the ER.... I don't think his plan will work, but if he's elected and it does, then I buy you a sandwich

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    Eh..

    It will require a long series of miracles for it to happen and actually work.

    I fully expect Kerry not get anything done if he is elected as the Republicans in Congress will just stick their fingers in their ears and go "NA-NA-NA-NA" and refuse to vote on anything he proposes.

    BTW your healthcare that your company provides sounds just like what I had. It is through a separate company. But the rates sure suck compared to a normal company setup.

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    Originally posted by benVFR
    But the rates sure suck compared to a normal company setup.

    that's becuase most companies pay a big percentage of healthcare costs as part of the benefits of working for them.... I think kerry doesn't see it like this, I think he sees that all people are like he and other senators that pay the full cost of healthcare. Now this is just opinion, but he must see it as BC/BS wants $900 a month for a family, but doesn't take into account for good companies to pick up 60-90% of the costs....



    and when has any president had the other party just completely disregard any bill they passed thruogh, I mean kerry and his kronies are really upset with the tax cuts, but they all passed

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    Speaking of tax cuts. It is SIMPLE economics...MORE MONEY in the hands of citizens = MORE MONEY spent in the economy. This means more demand which in turn means increased production which leads to new JOBS. I don't get why this concept is so hard for people on the left to comprehend. Especially because this concept is DEMONSTRABLY true. Also DEMONSTRABLY true is the failure of big government to be ficsally responsible, regardless of who is President. Anytime there is a new government program, this ALWAYS requires more money than originally planned. So, why would it be a good thing to give more of what we earn back to the government so that they can piss it away and come back to us again and raise taxes to pay for their ineptitude? This is a HUGE reason why I support President Bush. He understands that our money belongs to us.

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