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    Designing a single track


    So I've been trying to come up with some ideas for making a smallish single track course through my property. With only 3 acres available, it can't be too big, but I'm sure I can make it zig-zag it's way through quite a bit of the land.

    There is some water, LOTS of rocks (mostly large smooth rocks) and some changes in elevation.

    Pete and Nick have seen it and can probably attest to the amount of obstacles that would keep the speed way down which would make the trail take longer to go through (good thing).

    How would you guys recommend I begin? I was thinking that I'd start out with a basic plan of route around the property to maximize the distance and variations of terrain. I would then go out with some marker ties and mark down the general path through the property. It looks like I can do at least 2 significant straights (75+ yards), some 40+ degree climbs, a few 3'+ jumps (just so happens a lot of the rocks in the yard look like jumps) and nearly infinite water/mud hazards.

    As far as breaking in the trail, it's all untouched 2nd growth forest so the leaf pack is pretty soft and deep. There are TONS of downed trees for challenging obstacles that can either be left intentionally or moved out of the way.

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    Re: Designing a single track

    Take a 29" handle bar and try to fit it between the trees. If hits two or more trees go there, if it passes through, find another option.

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    Re: Designing a single track

    Quote Originally Posted by gmdboston View Post
    Take a 29" handle bar and try to fit it between the trees. If hits two or more trees go there, if it passes through, find another option.

    What about KB? Wouldn't that be a better measure?

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    Re: Designing a single track

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    What about KB? Wouldn't that be a better measure?
    Dude, don't hit KB with a handlebar. That's just wrong.

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    You'd be surprised, KB rides a dirt bike places you wouldn't think he could.

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    Re: Designing a single track

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    What about KB? Wouldn't that be a better measure?
    you said you wanted SINGLE track

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    Quote Originally Posted by highsider View Post
    You'd be surprised, KB rides a dirt bike places you wouldn't think he could.
    like inside the back of a pick-up? Or is that just street bikes?

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    Re: Designing a single track

    is this for moto? or like pedal bikes. either way you picked a bad time of year to start diggin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highsider View Post
    You'd be surprised, KB rides a dirt bike places you wouldn't think he could.
    The grass right outside turn 12?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawndart View Post
    is this for moto? or like pedal bikes.

    Motorized. Yummy.

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    Re: Designing a single track

    Clay, too fully utilize your property, I recommend first make a trail that follow your outer boundaries as closely as possible, then make cross trails

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    Clay, too fully utilize your property, I recommend first make a trail that follow your outer boundaries as closely as possible, then make cross trails
    That's in the plan already. Will be full tractor width to give me a place to skid timber.

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    Re: Designing a single track

    We oughta compare notes once we both get started. While we've got a bit more room to work with (almost 11 acres), my plan's gonna be about the same. Gonna start with a perimeter trail, mostly for Big Mama & Tovah to do the horse riding thing. From that I'll be doing the main quad-width trails. I'm aiming at cutting mosta our trails about 6 foot wide though. We were hoping to get started last month. But FOUR feet of snow this past month has put a damper on that - makes for quite a deep snow base (yes, FOUR feet so far)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    But FOUR feet of snow this past month has put a damper on that - makes for quite a deep snow base (yes, FOUR feet so far)...
    So when are you picking up the work sled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    But FOUR feet of snow this past month has put a damper on that - makes for quite a deep snow base (yes, FOUR feet so far)...

    Still need that front end loader, don't-cha

    I just make my own trails. The ground is nice and hard under all that snow!

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    Re: Designing a single track

    Property line first like mentioned above, then walk the desired trails and mark them with orange/pink survey ribbons so you can see where you've been and where you want to go. Now is the perfect time to lay out a trail system, no leaves...and you can follow footsteps in the snow.

    I'll be in the same situation very shortly, my property line trail is done and I just have to explore/cut the center trails. I actually blazed a few the other night...and ventured onto my neighbors property last night...it's gonna be fun

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    I'm extremely jealous of you guys with property!

    After the perimeter, just figure out a good way to combine a short straight, followed by some "s" type turns, and then a U-turn. Just keep repeating this and it should be fun. Of course, the actual shape of the perimeter and the hills will come into play.

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    Re: Designing a single track

    How bout somethin like this


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    Re: Designing a single track

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Still need that front end loader, don't-cha
    Yup! Big Shirl says no more spending for a while. I say we need a tractor (and Ken's MZ)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by highsider View Post
    So when are you picking up the work sled?
    Believe me when I tell ya, we've been tossing the idea of a sled around. The riding season's just too short around here to justify a $5000+ purchase like that...

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    We're lucky in that our new lot (affectionately dubbed 'The Venture Spot' or 'V-Spot' for short) is almost rectangle with mainly gradual elevation changes. The perimeter trail will essentially be for the horses although it'll serve as our main ATV trail too until we get more cut. When we start in on the actual ATV trails, we'll have at least one straight over a 1/4 mile long with a sharp 'S' turn at the end of it. WFOT to incredibly hard sideways breaking, hopefully followed by needed speed ASAP to clear some carefully placed 'hurdles'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 35racer View Post
    I'm extremely jealous of you guys with property!
    Over the last couple of years, there've been some large parcels (40+ ac) up for sale within 40 miles of your current residence. You buy, and I'll help you burn in the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Believe me when I tell ya, we've been tossing the idea of a sled around. The riding season's just too short around here to justify a $5000+ purchase like that...

    How about $3k?


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    I hope to be buying up some more land abutting my property as soon as the time is right. That should REALLY make for some interesting riding.

    How much would it be to pave a small road course?

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    Of course, ONLY EX500's would be allowed. After all, those are the only REAL racebikes. Everyone else is just playing. And no experts, they aren't real racers.

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