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    Down-draft ranges

    Long shot, but I remember NotSure had one of these years ago. So maybe there's some experience out here in NESR land.

    I have a kitchen that was designed and built in the late 80's. It features a Jenn-Air brand electric range that is a slide-in with a down-draft ventilation system. There's an electric fan under the unit and venting is plumbed underneath, through the floor joist cavity to a vent about 3' off the ground on the side of the house. There is no cabinetry or vent or anything above the range; it's located on a peninsula in the cabinets & countertop. Quite nice.

    The range is over 30 now and ready to retire. Naturally I did a massive remodel year before last including custom granite countertops. All the cabinetry in this house is custom. Kind of high-ish end. I'm now feeling trapped into replacing with a similar slide-in, downdraft model. Seems there now only 2 on the market; a JennAir and a Kitchenaid. And I think Kitchenaid owns the JennAir brand now, so these are likely the same with different facia. (Although reviews say the Kitchenaid is much better?!) They are expensive. But whatever, is what it is.

    Kicker is neither look to fit. These things have grown in the last 30 years and looks like the required depth for these units is now 28+". My countertop cutout depth is 24". Bust out the cutoff wheel and trim that countertop you say? Problem is the whole peninsula cabinet is only ~25" deep.

    I cannot leave the range proud of the cabinets even a little as there is a dishwasher 90-degrees from the range. It is a crazy tight fit between being able to open the dishwasher and clear the oven door as it is.

    I'm now thinking about building a custom extension to the cabinet to make it deeper. I have about 11" of overhang on the back-side to work with. But this will mean moving a heating register. Project creep. Bigtime.

    I suppose another alternative is install a range hood over a non-down-draft slide in. No idea how I'd vent that.

    Anyone know of other options?

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    Non venting filtered hood is likely your cheapest option.

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    What if I told you that you didn’t need to vent a range hood to the outside world? I assume the range is installed on an interior wall and venting a hood would be a lot of cutting. Anyhow, most range hoods come standard with a filter system that allow you to recirculate the air back into the room. Very common in apartment and condo installations. All you’ll have to figure out is mounting and electrical.

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    Non venting filtered hood is likely your cheapest option.
    Hah. Beat me to it with your economy of words.

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    I know you guys won't believe me, but I'm not looking for the cheapest solution to this.. this time. Wife is calling the shots on this one, therefore the budget grows accordingly. If it were me that 30 year old range would get used forever.

    As it is I pressed her and this is like her 3rd or 4th priority. So we'll probably kick this can out until spring.

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    Probably not. I have maybe 1 1/2" of room between the back of the existing (apparently shallow) range and the back of the cabinet. So I'd assume something like that isn't going to fit without lots of modification.

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    I didn't mean to call you cheap. Your spending habits have certainly... evolved. LOL. I think it might be yous BEST solution as well as the cheapest

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    Is there a second floor above the range, or attic? If it’s attic space, there are some nice overhead options, that can be vented easily.
    I’d only use a filter vent as an absolute last resort, hated that option in my last house.

    Also, are you searching the slide up sizes online, or are you dealing with a kitchen and countertop store? I’ve found there are usually many more options available on products, that don’t show up online, if you were to go to a store that deals with this stuff every day.

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    Quote Originally Posted by R7 View Post
    Is there a second floor above the range, or attic? If itís attic space, there are some nice overhead options, that can be vented easily.
    Iíd only use a filter vent as an absolute last resort, hated that option in my last house.

    Also, are you searching the slide up sizes online, or are you dealing with a kitchen and countertop store? Iíve found there are usually many more options available on products, that donít show up online, if you were to go to a store that deals with this stuff every day.
    We have a filtered vent, hate it. It doesn't work as well. Somewhere in my list of things to do around the house is venting it outside

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    I don't have a vent above my stove. I JUST installed a stainless commercial kitchen shelf and put a microwave up on it. it's only been 10yrs (since I re-did the backsplash).

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    You guys are making me want to spend money on my house now. Money is for motorcycles and bicycles dammit!

    I have a filter unit above my stove. It sucks. And blows.

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    You're pretty much hosed on this one. They still make 24" ranges but none of them have a downdraft vent and your options in electric are pretty limited. You won't be getting any fancy bells and whistles and you still have the pleasure of dropping a respectable amount of money. In 30" options, like you already figured out you are stuck with JennAir or Kitchenaid downdraft models and neither of them are great options.

    Many 30" cooktops are shallow enough to fit in your peninsula but you would have other modification issues since they are wider than your current opening (assuming it's 24" wide too) and your countertop isn't set up for a cooktop. For instance, GE makes a 30" downdraft cooktop that is 22ish inches deep: GE Profileô Series 30" Downdraft Electric Cooktop | PP9830SJSS | GE Appliances . Assuming you got it to fit, you would also have to find an in-wall oven that you could mount underneath it.

    I'd keep using what you're using and fix it when it breaks.

    And I lived in a house with a non-venting hood. It completely sucks. My house is vented to the outdoors and I'll never go back!

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    Re: Down-draft ranges

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    You're pretty much hosed on this one. They still make 24" ranges but none of them have a downdraft vent and your options in electric are pretty limited. You won't be getting any fancy bells and whistles and you still have the pleasure of dropping a respectable amount of money. In 30" options, like you already figured out you are stuck with JennAir or Kitchenaid downdraft models and neither of them are great options.
    When they say "30-inch" or "24-inch", they are referring to the nominal width of the unit, right?

    If so my setup is a 30-inch. It's almost exactly 30" wide. This isn't a camp or studio apartment range or anything like that. The cutout width matches the spec on most of these units. The only woe is the depth of the unit.

    Is suspect my options are:

    • Build out back of peninsula - I have about 12" of overhang in the back. I could easily build a box and install it there. Would give me about 11-13" of extra depth to play with
    • Overhead vent hood - Frame out a bump in the ceiling to house the ducting, duct over to the wall, closeup the old vent underneath


    The only problem building out the back of the peninsula is there is a heating baseboard there. But those be moved.

    After trying to get my wife to focus on options standing in the appliance section at Lowes this afternoon it was decided this isn't a priority. Back to pissing time and money away on motorbikes.

    Look for us to be cooking on a hot-plate before long.

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