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Evo or sti?

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    Evo or sti?


    I'm looking at buying an older evo or sti. Ultimately I will be importing the car back to the states with me so it's going to be an older model of either one. Currently I'm looking at an evo iii or iv or a ver3 sti. Certainly the evo iv is the better of the cars in looks and performance but it is known to be maintenance hungry. I'm very familiar with subaru so I know what the expect but I'm not so good on talons and eclipses which is closely related to the evo. The evo iii just looks dated but it's still a nice car. It's not as in your face as a iv but just as fast and agile due to a much lower weight. Both can be brought to 400hp almost effortlessly.
    For the record my wife wants a white evo iv so that may be the only choice I really have anyways. She hates the subaru but loved her crosstrek so there is hope for one. An ra sti isn't off the table either. I can find nicer ones of those easier than a plain sti.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    I looked at them before buying a WRX and spoke with many owners at autocross events.

    The terrible dealer network and on again/off again distribution made the ownership experience pretty sad for Evo. There are tons of Subaru specialist garages, not sure about Evo. They complained about the poor interiors.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Ya. Most complaints about the evo comes from the iv and up cars. The iii is generally regarded as the stronger car overall with the best interior.
    I suspect parts may be harder to get for an evo but I think and older sti will be harder. A garage to work it will be hard for both but easier for an sti.
    These will most likely be pre 96 cars so no matter what I'm probably turning to the Internet for parts.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    If your bringing it back to new england a subaru would be a no brainer. The area is saturated with subaru specific shops.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Also, Subaru makes better quality products in general than Mitsubishi.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilB View Post
    Also, Subaru makes better quality products in general than Mitsubishi.

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    You think that's true pre-96? Many of the older subaru's I see are suffering from body rot. I haven't seen the same with the old mitsubishis. Granted, I don't know that as many mitsubishis were sold so might just be that I see more subarus.

    Is resale an consideration? If you're importing the car I'd probably try to find some configuration that's special to the enthusiasts that ideally was rare or not available in the US. I thought the older Evo's were sold in much more interesting configurations in other markets.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Keep in mind you're asking for opinions on platforms that very few people in the US have much experience driving much less maintaining from a high mileage perspective. There are significant differences between the Evo III to Evo IV and even more to the VIII.

    Having extensively dabbled in the subaru platform up until ~2007 (N=4), and then switching over to an Evo VIII (N=1), both platforms have their pro's and con's however I can't speak to an RA or an Evo III/IV.

    If you can find contact info for the folks who used to run Dentsport Garage in Norwood, MA it may be worth seeing if they'll sit down with you over a a few beers to discuss the various platforms you're entertaining.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    You think that's true pre-96? Many of the older subaru's I see are suffering from body rot. I haven't seen the same with the old mitsubishis. Granted, I don't know that as many mitsubishis were sold so might just be that I see more subarus.

    Is resale an consideration? If you're importing the car I'd probably try to find some configuration that's special to the enthusiasts that ideally was rare or not available in the US. I thought the older Evo's were sold in much more interesting configurations in other markets.
    The evo will be worth more. The sti would be a harder sell but may fetch a good amount. I'm not really considering resale though. This is supposed to be my long term fun car. Most likely I will end up killing it anyway.
    No matter which I get I will still make money if I wanted too. They are so cheap here it's laughable. I just imported a skyline that I had about $8k into for everything including shipping and sold it for $25k in less than a few hours of it arriving in nj. The evo or sti would be the same but less on both ends. I can probably get an sti into the states for under $5k and sell it for maybe 10k and the evo iii would be a out 6k shipped and sell for about the same. An evo iv still needs too many years to be importable for me to figure out but I do know what I can get for 5k today will be 8k in 2 years just to buy.
    Once a desirable car becomes us importable the price sky rockets. I'm trying to catch them at a low point and ride it out.

    Rust is a potential problem on both cars. Subaru because it's a subaru and the evo I've and up because mitsubishi never really protected them well from the factory as they never planned on them leaving Japan where the roads aren't salted. The evo iii and lower are more corrosion resistant because they were built off a platform that was being exported so the factory took extra steps to protect the bare chassis.
    The good news is most people with either car go nuts about corrosion protection here. That's the first thing many people did the minute they were imported into the UK. You can tell pretty quickly if they had no extra rust proofing.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Subaru all the way. Better all around quality.

    And since you're importing rare birds, big ticket cars will be the 22b, Liberty GT, Legacy S204. Heck, even the twin turbo (JDM) versions of anything I just listed would be desirable as well.



    Everyone in Japan has rust issues, not just Mitsubishi and Subaru.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    //Everyone in Japan has rust issues, not just Mitsubishi and Subaru.
    A friend of mine who worked in the auto industry showed me under the hood of a Volvo. Most of the hoses, fittings, connectors, etc are covered and thus protected from corrosion. Japanese manufacturers do not seem to do this, even Subaru.

    I'm surprised RH drive cars would sell well in the US. The car I'd want would be a 2009 Legacy Spec B 3.0R Estate. The Legacy wagon, with 6 cyl, 6 speed manual, and Bilstein suspension.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    I looked at a 22b just the other day. The problem is its to new. It would be too long before I could import it. I tried to buy it in a package deal with another car I ended up buying but it's length of time before I could import killed it for me. It's a nice car for sure.
    Prodrive cars are stupaid cheap here. The plant is right next to my shop to boot. Those are mostly newer cars which is a shame.
    Twin turbo models are still hard to come by. Not because they are rare but because they are all trashed or plagued by rust. They don't seem to be worth enough here to bother investing in.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    A friend of mine who worked in the auto industry showed me under the hood of a Volvo. Most of the hoses, fittings, connectors, etc are covered and thus protected from corrosion. Japanese manufacturers do not seem to do this, even Subaru.

    I'm surprised RH drive cars would sell well in the US. The car I'd want would be a 2009 Legacy Spec B 3.0R Estate. The Legacy wagon, with 6 cyl, 6 speed manual, and Bilstein suspension.
    Easy as pie to find. This isn't a great one but is about what they sell for.

    https://www.gumtree.com/p/subaru/sub...fsh/1202221653

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    A friend of mine who worked in the auto industry showed me under the hood of a Volvo. Most of the hoses, fittings, connectors, etc are covered and thus protected from corrosion. Japanese manufacturers do not seem to do this, even Subaru.

    I'm surprised RH drive cars would sell well in the US. The car I'd want would be a 2009 Legacy Spec B 3.0R Estate. The Legacy wagon, with 6 cyl, 6 speed manual, and Bilstein suspension.
    JDM bro. I don't think the novelty of the RHD has really worn off for the 19 year old JDM fanboys. A RHD Skyline is like the holy grail. Nissan Silvia is (or was?) another popular car to import.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Silvia's are crazy money here because of all the drifting people. It is so hard to find a clean one I don't even bother any more. I can get a twin turbo supra easier and cheaper than one of those and it's 10x the car.
    Skylines are easy to getbut the gtr is always going to be pricey. R32's are importable now so I can't get any for a reasonable price but the r33 is still fair game and relatively cheap. It's kind of hard to find a clean manual but an automatic is super easy to get. Truthfully the automatics are probably the faster and better car anyway. It's easier to control the boost and get more out of it off the line. Shifting with your left hand is un natural anyway. The gear pattern isn't optimised for it in any car. Forget about really power shifting 2 to 3.

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    Re: Evo or sti?

    Quote Originally Posted by boosten lebaron View Post
    Easy as pie to find. This isn't a great one but is about what they sell for.

    https://www.gumtree.com/p/subaru/sub...fsh/1202221653
    Wow, $3,100.


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