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    Fishing

    thinking of going out and doing some ice fishing this winter, but mostly getting ready for bass fishing with flies, probably from a canoe, something I have never done before (the fly fishing from a canoe part, I've done plenty of fly fishing for bass from shore, dock or shallow wading) I may also want to try some of the titanium tippets and catch some toothed fish

    I'd like to get a square tail canoe, that can mount a small 2hp outboard or electric

    what are pros & cons of each electric vs gas ?

    I know the electric is cheaper up front, but it's my understanding that a modern gasoline outboard is lighter than and electric + battery

    canoe.. on the lower cost end a SunDolphin Mackinaw SS
    I like the specs of a SportPal M-13
    on the high end Grumman Sport Boat

    the SunDolphin is poly, the latter 2 are aluminum

    do I worry about aluminum being noisier ?

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    Re: Fishing

    I went through this about 3 years ago and hereís what I ended up with.
    A Bear Creek Square Bear canoe. Fiberglass, wide body for stability, flat transom, 13 foot length. Minn Kota 55 lb thrust trolling motor.

    My initial setup was a total fail for solo trips. My 225 pounds, plus a trolling motor, plus a battery all at the rear of the canoe...I couldnít go more than half throttle without sinking the transom.

    So I put my thinking cap on. Built a battery box under the front seat and ran a battery cable to the rear under the gunwale with a quick connect for the motor at the rear. That balanced things a lot better but I still add a 40 pound sandbag to the front when Iím solo. The only issue I have with the setup is the canoe is very heavy. Iím a strong dude and Iím not able to put it on top of my car by myself. When I had a pickup truck still it was manageable by myself, but Iím going to need to get a canoe trailer if I want to go out alone.

    I would recommend electric motor still, since you can relocate the battery it allows you to balance your load properly. A gas motor is an awful lot of weight on the back of a canoe, I wouldnít use one on anything smaller than a John boat.


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    Re: Fishing

    I have had an OldTown 17 foot canoe for 30 years

    Its polyethylene hulls glide over obstacles

    Have a side bracket that mounts a 2 1/2 tanaka 2 stroke ,starts easy and runs well

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    Re: Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    I went through this about 3 years ago and hereís what I ended up with.
    A Bear Creek Square Bear canoe. Fiberglass, wide body for stability, flat transom, 13 foot length. Minn Kota 55 lb thrust trolling motor.

    My initial setup was a total fail for solo trips. My 225 pounds, plus a trolling motor, plus a battery all at the rear of the canoe...I couldnít go more than half throttle without sinking the transom.

    So I put my thinking cap on. Built a battery box under the front seat and ran a battery cable to the rear under the gunwale with a quick connect for the motor at the rear. That balanced things a lot better but I still add a 40 pound sandbag to the front when Iím solo. The only issue I have with the setup is the canoe is very heavy. Iím a strong dude and Iím not able to put it on top of my car by myself. When I had a pickup truck still it was manageable by myself, but Iím going to need to get a canoe trailer if I want to go out alone.

    I would recommend electric motor still, since you can relocate the battery it allows you to balance your load properly. A gas motor is an awful lot of weight on the back of a canoe, I wouldnít use one on anything smaller than a John boat.


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    Same experience here. I have a Coleman Scanoe and use a 55lb minn kota. Battery forward helps, but a 2nd angler up front is perfect.

    There are some pretty wild setups people have done with outriggers, etc.. overkill for bass fishing. They are dumb as fuck, fishing from shore is usually very productive and so much easier.

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    Re: Fishing

    good suggestions on the Square Bear and Scanoe, probably be looking used, I see a few square tails with a MinKota advertised online in the $400-$600 range, Generally the cannoes new run $900-$3k (the Grumman Sport Boat is freekin expensive compared top most)

    Sundolphin Mackinaw SS

    Meyers SportsPal M-13

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    Re: Fishing

    Jon Boats don't interest me at all, they are a dime a dozen on craigs list

    if I go new, it will be the Meyer SportPal, it is setup for paddling, or rowing, and can take a 2hp motor, (would a 2.3 rip the transom off ?) weighs 70 lb. compared to the 100+ Sun Dolphin and Grumman

    For those who are running a Minn Kota 55, how long does a battery charge go for ? what size battery/ amp. hr. ?

    I would compare to a Honda 2.3 hp. 4stroke gas motor, weighs 30lb. can go 1 hour full throttle with it's 1.1 liter fuel tank

    I foresee fishing local to me in Merrymeeting Marsh, Baxter Lake or Northeast Pond initially, I would use power to get from boat access to initial fishing spot, then drift or paddle/row. possibly anchor as well

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    Re: Fishing

    I would highly reccomnd a Radisson Canoe.... I have one and owned and used many others but nothing is close. Its super light and ver well made..they are killer

    Price is a bit more than your looking at but they are very well made..........




    Radisson 12' Square Stern Canoe

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    Re: Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    Jon Boats don't interest me at all, they are a dime a dozen on craigs list

    if I go new, it will be the Meyer SportPal, it is setup for paddling, or rowing, and can take a 2hp motor, (would a 2.3 rip the transom off ?) weighs 70 lb. compared to the 100+ Sun Dolphin and Grumman

    For those who are running a Minn Kota 55, how long does a battery charge go for ? what size battery/ amp. hr. ?

    I would compare to a Honda 2.3 hp. 4stroke gas motor, weighs 30lb. can go 1 hour full throttle with it's 1.1 liter fuel tank

    I foresee fishing local to me in Merrymeeting Marsh, Baxter Lake or Northeast Pond initially, I would use power to get from boat access to initial fishing spot, then drift or paddle/row. possibly anchor as well
    The charged battery with a 55lb motor will outlast your back sitting in a canoe, all day every day.

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    Re: Fishing

    As far as canoes go, I have an aluminum old Grumman, my father bought it the same year I was born so it's been around. They are a very well built craft, but you really have to weigh it out if you are going to use it that much.

    As far as propulsion, I've run a 4hp yamaha on a port-a-boat a few times. I can easily throw that engine over my shoulder and carry it down to the water (and I don't have near the beast stature of loudbeard). I can't comment how much it would affect a square tail canoe, I've only run it on the back of plastic jon boat and it was fine there with my 205# frame. Having electric with the battery up front is a great idea for balance. One other thing I've seen is front mounted motors with remove controls to the back. That gets a bit pricey though.

    As far as fishing, "Number 42!!", "I'll have two pounds of the unfrozen cod, and a pound of the wild salmon."

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    Re: Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by Pigman View Post
    I would highly reccomnd a Radisson Canoe.... I have one and owned and used many others but nothing is close. Its super light and ver well made..they are killer

    Price is a bit more than your looking at but they are very well made..........




    Radisson 12' Square Stern Canoe
    less actually,


    the Meyer SportsPal M-13, is $509 more

    looking at the specs, the Meyer website makes mention of a less expensive imitator the uses thinner marine aluminum, and not a heavier gauge of aircraft aluminum.

    The Radisson does have a distinct weight advantage though

    The Grumman is even heavier aluminum than the Meyer product

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    Re: Fishing

    I think the plastics are better

    I have had all Aluminum, fiberglass, and some kind of Aluminum

    The Old Town polyethylene does not have dents etc after years of abuse on creeks etc.

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    Re: Fishing

    I have seen some pretty banged up aluminum canoes, but almost all were a result of white water

    my dad had an old canvas Old Town, easily 60 years old, but has never seen anything but still water, it's a heavy mofo, 18 footer, takes 2 people to get it on and off a roof rack

    I think the aluminum canoes fit my needs better, but plastic is an option still if the price is right. I am starting to scour CL & egay

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    Re: Fishing

    A friend of mine who's family is from South Carolina but most have moved away

    The men make an annual fishing trip to the middle of Canada where they get to catch huge fish
    everyday for a week

    I dont bother because look a 6 inch large mouth

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    Re: Fishing

    To those who own aluminum canoes/boats,

    Do you use them at all in salt water ?

    if so, any prep or maintenance above and beyond normal aluminum boat maintenance

    for that matter, what is normal aluminum boat maintenance ?

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    Re: Fishing

    Why a canoe? Have you thought about getting a Bass buggy? Like this one http://www.basspro.com/shop/en/uncle...rowler-boat-10 A lot more comfortable, not too heavy, and it gets you a bit more off the water to be able to fly cast a little easier.

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    Re: Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    To those who own aluminum canoes/boats,

    Do you use them at all in salt water ?

    if so, any prep or maintenance above and beyond normal aluminum boat maintenance

    for that matter, what is normal aluminum boat maintenance ?
    Aluminum is awesome in that it needs no maintenance if you don't leave it in the water all the time. Oxygen reacts with it forming a natural barrier of aluminum oxide on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoinkythepig View Post
    Aluminum is awesome in that it needs no maintenance if you don't leave it in the water all the time. Oxygen reacts with it forming a natural barrier of aluminum oxide on it.
    thanks, that was my assumption based on how salt has reacted to aluminum parts on my bike

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    Re: Fishing

    my new fly rod came today, can't wait to use it, freekin thing is light, only weighs 3-5/8 oz, the reel came a few weeks ago
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    a friend of mine has a patent out on a reel-less fly rod. It looks kind of like a toy, but he's been catching stuff with it. lofli

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    Re: Fishing

    for small fish, ya really don't use the reel except to store line. generally fly fishing you bring the line in by stripping it

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    Re: Fishing

    I know a couple of guys (I know one very well, the other just barely) that routinely fly fish for trout from canoes on remote ponds . They have a bunch of old aluminum canoes that they bought used and keep hidden deep in the north Maine woods near ponds than can only be reached by hiking or float plane. They each have a 4x4 Tacoma with practical mods to make them reliable for long off-road treks to get to the trail heads. They also have a ridiculous amount of money invested into fly fishing and fly tying gear. I don't have enough interest in the sport to put that kind of money and effort into it, but I admire their dedication and I bet they have a great time fishing in the wilderness.

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    Re: Fishing

    This where Randy wants to go


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