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    No electric hot water. Hot water is a 'tankless' coil off the boiler. Half the reason why I want that boiler rolling during the outages. Wife is much nicer to me when she can take a hot shower.
    I do use the shit out of dead dinosaurs. At least three fills a year. That's with a wood burning insert in my fireplace to supplement heat in the winter.

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    My stunning good looks for starters.

    I have no idea, honestly. But yeah, my bill currently hovers around $50-70/mo. I can't remember ever going over $100.
    Last year I refreshed the appliances in the kitchen (except the oven) and naturally went with pretty energy efficient stuff. We don't even own an air conditioner anymore. Although I do have an electric range & oven. My well is relatively shallow, maybe that helps something?
    That's crazy.

    I mean I found out my well is pretty deep when I replaced the pump this past year...

    I have installed automatic lights in bathrooms with fan timers. All lights are led.

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    How the hell do you manage that? I mine averages around twice that.
    I'm not sure who services NH with power but I know when I lived in MA for a short time, National Grid was a hell of a lot cheaper for roughly the same usage as Eversource is here in CT. You'd have to compare usage rather than cost.

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    That bill is cheap Christian. The delivery is $55! That's more than I paid per month in MA. Your actual power usage is only $38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd6 View Post
    I'm not sure who services NH with power but I know when I lived in MA for a short time, National Grid was a hell of a lot cheaper for roughly the same usage as Eversource is here in CT. You'd have to compare usage rather than cost.
    I save 4/kwh by using Direct energy as my power source, Eversource only delivers my electricity, both come on the same bill

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    But your bill is high also. Nhbubba's is cheap, I'd like to know his kilowatts used on those cheap months.

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    I used 459 kWh last month at $.09078 per. My bill was $101.

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    My last billing cycle was for 387 kwh and my wife works from home.

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    My last billing cycle was for 387 kwh and my wife works from home.
    I'm home in the winter also. 459 kwh with me home, boiler assisted electric hot water heater and a monster compressor that runs on occasion in the garage.

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    I've talked to multiple people recently and many have no clue what their power uses are or when. How many would pay a small fee to have someone come in and meter their power usage in their home over time to let them know when and what they are using their power on? It would be a long payback for most, more of a novelty I guess??

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    Quote Originally Posted by db79 View Post
    My last billing cycle was for 387 kwh and my wife works from home.
    Public water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd6 View Post
    I used 459 kWh last month at $.09078 per. My bill was $101.
    the math doesn't work, for 459kwh, $101 comes to 22/kwh

    is 9.078 energy charge only ? with another 12.96 delivery charge

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    I use on average 1000-1100 kwh/month in my home, another 900-1000kwh in my office (separate account)

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    That's just the charge for the electricity, all the rest is delivery fees.

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    Public water?
    Public and also NG hot water heater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    I've talked to multiple people recently and many have no clue what their power uses are or when. How many would pay a small fee to have someone come in and meter their power usage in their home over time to let them know when and what they are using their power on? It would be a long payback for most, more of a novelty I guess??
    They make some monitoring equipment that mounts in the panel that will tell you your consumption and voltage. I think you can double up and monitor both utility power and generator power. I'll put up a link when I'm near my laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post

    is 9.078 energy charge only ? with another 12.96 delivery charge
    Yes, exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by db79 View Post
    Public and also NG hot water heater.
    That makes more sense why it was so low then. I have a 400ft well and oil for domestic hot water.

    And a big compressor that runs every once in a while.

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    If you want to trouble shoot voltage drop and determine if your generator will run the motor, drag the generator over to a basement window or the hatch. Plug an extension cord into a normal 120v outlet on the generator. Cut off other end and hardwire your boiler at the service switch. Obviously turn off breaker 1st.

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    Re: Generators and oil burners

    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    I've talked to multiple people recently and many have no clue what their power uses are or when. How many would pay a small fee to have someone come in and meter their power usage in their home over time to let them know when and what they are using their power on? It would be a long payback for most, more of a novelty I guess??
    What you speak of is cheap, easy to use, and readily available. It's called a Kill-a-watt device.

    I have one and tried like hell to help a friend who has a $300 electric bill every month. Let him use it for a month, plugged all his major consumers of electricity into it, did the math out, and he still didn't believe what I was telling him, or what the device was telling him.


    Showing people where all their electricity usage is going to is pretty useless if they try to justify keeping a stand up freezer running all year long because "well sometimes it's nice to have for parties in the summer".

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    my biggest electricity use appliance in my dehumidifier that only runs 2 months in the summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    What you speak of is cheap, easy to use, and readily available. It's called a Kill-a-watt device.

    I have one and tried like hell to help a friend who has a $300 electric bill every month. Let him use it for a month, plugged all his major consumers of electricity into it, did the math out, and he still didn't believe what I was telling him, or what the device was telling him.


    Showing people where all their electricity usage is going to is pretty useless if they try to justify keeping a stand up freezer running all year long because "well sometimes it's nice to have for parties in the summer".
    I know about the killawatt things, interesting concept for onesy twosy monitoring. I was thinking more on the panel level, all at once with individual major users broken out. I was approached by a couple of guys that have multifamilies and want to know where the power is going. And I've talked to a couple of people that have high bills and wanted to try to reduce. But no argument, most people won't believe or act on the information, no doubt. It falls under the need to bitch over act premise, which is pretty strong these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    I know about the killawatt things, interesting concept for onesy twosy monitoring. I was thinking more on the panel level, all at once with individual major users broken out. I was approached by a couple of guys that have multifamilies and want to know where the power is going. And I've talked to a couple of people that have high bills and wanted to try to reduce. But no argument, most people won't believe or act on the information, no doubt. It falls under the need to bitch over act premise, which is pretty strong these days.
    Panel monitoring devices have been available for a while now. Here are some examples.

    Best Home Energy Monitors of 2018 - Wireless Electricity Monitoring Devices

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    The Kill-o-watt monitor works pretty good for 120VAC appliances. Leave it connected for a few days of normal use and you'll see the pattern of consumption associated with that appliance. Move it to the next appliance. I don't recall seeing a model of the Kill-o-watt that handles 220V but I'm sure something similar exists.

    For quick check most appliances and equipment have a dataplate showing watts/kilowatts used while operating. Not much variable speed equipment in homes so its more about the hours the equipment runs. Another quick check is the billing meter on the house. Shutting everything else off and viewing that billing meter should be a rough check.

    I suspect having a display showing real time consumption (say on the counter in the kitchen) would have the greatest affect on reducing useage by changing behavior w/o needing to replace a bunch of stuff that uses lots of energy but seldom gets used.

    If you look into power monitors check to see that the interface displays threshold alarms for power quality. It's amazing what the line quality looks like during high use periods (hot summer day) and the damage that can do to electronics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    That's crazy.

    I mean I found out my well is pretty deep when I replaced the pump this past year...

    I have installed automatic lights in bathrooms with fan timers. All lights are led.

    Here is my statement from the past month.Generators and oil burners-screenshot_20180312-093851-2-jpg

    Bro this is 5 people living in my house. Someone is always cooking or baking. We use about 100-150 kWh more than you. That’s insane.

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