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    Jake Burton's Manifesto


    I think this is hilarious...
    Jake Burton and Burton Snowboards are offering a $5K prize for the best video submission of you poaching one of the 4 remaining ski resorts that still do not allow snowboards.


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    Morons. I wonder how long it will be before they're sued.

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    I'm all for it! Hey how would you like it if they wouldn't let you ride a motorcycle on a road, but cars are allowed....... oh wait that has happened.

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    Roads are public property.

    Ski resorts are private property. They can exclude anyone they want, based on any criteria they want.

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    Quote Originally Posted by highsider View Post
    Morons. I wonder how long it will be before they're sued.
    I am sure that the have legal mumbo jumbo in tiny words underneath that ad that absolves them of all legal ramifications.

    That being said i think it is dumb not to allow snowboarding on the slopes of your resort, it just takes revenue away from your resort. I might leave 1 or 2 trails as ski only trails and 1 or 2 as snowboard only trails but not the whole mountain.

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    ha! Is MRG on the list?

    I was at K-Mart the first day they "allowed" riders. Once they figured out we had money too, the remaining areas soon followed suit. Prior to, you had to call ahead to an area to see if riding was permitted.

    Many resorts are not situated on private land, but rather leased public lands. Someone should sue those areas that issue "Gold Passes," which permit holders thereof to eschew waiting in the que.

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    A good comparison is Lime Rock Park. Lime Rock is a racetrack in Connecticut that no longer has track days for bikes, but still has trackdays for cars.

    Shall I have a fit, and show up with my bike and demand to be allowed on the track?

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    I used to work at Lime Rock. The town made a law that will not allow motorcycles events (i.e. races) at the track. It was established back in the late 60's when there were a lot of motorcycle events getting out of hand.

    However they used to do a one hour "test & tune" once in a while. I think the last time they did that was in 2003 or 2004. I can't remember, but I know I was there. It was $50 for the hour with no real tech inspection and you were required to have a race licence. Fun track but the armco and lack of run-off in some areas is SCARY!

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    i board...
    I ski.

    Snowboarders sitting on the slopes and taking up space are annoying..
    plus snowboaders are just jerks in general

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    What are the four resort that don't allow snowboarding? I know Mad River Glen is one, and I think Taos is another but not sure. Anyone know the others?

    If it wasn't for snowboarders a double daffy would still be extreme skiing. "Power to the poachers!"

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    Quote Originally Posted by highsider View Post
    Roads are public property.

    Ski resorts are private property. They can exclude anyone they want, based on any criteria they want.
    This is not Correct..... MRG, Deer Valley and Alta are on or partially on National Forest Property.

    Taos has already fallen and has agreed to allow Snowboarders starting in March this year.

    MRG was poached by 40 snowboarders on the first day of the commeration of their single chair this year...... with the Governor and all kinds of policitcals.. there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowborder View Post
    This is not Correct..... MRG, Deer Valley and Alta are on or partially on National Forest Property.

    Taos has already fallen and has agreed to allow Snowboarders starting in March this year.

    MRG was poached by 40 snowboarders on the first day of the commeration of their single chair this year...... with the Governor and all kinds of policitcals.. there.

    Regardless of whom the land might be leased from, the private company owning the resort pays for the trail maintenance, lift operation, liabilitiy insurance, etc. I just dont understand the problem here; those resorts are only missing out on your money, so why do you care?

    Dont get me wrong, I think the idea of "poaching" onto the mountain is hilarious, and I have no problem with snowboarders or snowboards. I just think Burton offering up money for people to commit a crime (trespassing) is only going to end poorly for them, and dont understand why they would expose themselves to the liability.

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    One of the "10 Commandments" on Burton's site is that the poacher must buy a lift ticket... Maybe that eliminates the trespassing liability?

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    Poaching has gone on for years on ALL mountains... AKA Poaching closed trails... what they are doing is kinda cool, and I appreciate what Mr. B is trying to accomplish. Ive been skiing for roughly 24 years now, lots of friends snowboard.. I dont get the issue. Just yank the tickets of ANY groups sitting on the side or middle of trails if they are becoming problems... (we used to do that at Sugarloaf/Sunday River when figuring out who was going to be stupider on the next run) I guess us skiiers are nothing but trouble to.


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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    skiing is better anyway.

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    I dont really care, I ski and snowboard, I have no problems with either, but if a mountain wont allow me to snowboard, theres dozens within a couple miles that will, and they will get my money. As for the public land vs. private company debate, it seems to not matter any more. I use this example
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    Its a private business and he's being sued for discrimination, apparently private business means you cant choose who you allow in your establishment anymore. All it takes is for enough people to speak up, and apparently cry racism.

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    came in here thinking this thread was about this jack burton.




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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    Quote Originally Posted by highsider View Post
    A good comparison is Lime Rock Park. Lime Rock is a racetrack in Connecticut that no longer has track days for bikes, but still has trackdays for cars.

    Shall I have a fit, and show up with my bike and demand to be allowed on the track?

    The town of Lime Rock has a bylaw forbidding motorcycle racing on the track. They used to allow them at lunch time on Tuesdays only, but I think that's gone too.

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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    Quote Originally Posted by gmdboston View Post
    The town of Lame Rock has a bylaw forbidding motorcycles on the track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmdboston View Post
    The town of Lime Rock has a bylaw forbidding motorcycle racing on the track. They used to allow them at lunch time on Tuesdays only, but I think that's gone too.

    Wont be able to drive cars on it soon, either. They adopted the "country club" format, and are selling pricey memberships.

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    When are more places going to let me ride my snow bike?
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    Re: Jake Burton's Manifesto

    Quote Originally Posted by highsider View Post
    I just think Burton offering up money for people to commit a crime (trespassing) is only going to end poorly for them, and dont understand why they would expose themselves to the liability.
    Please, that's the kind of Overly PC attitude that is making so much stuff in this world 'not fun'.

    Oh it's a crime
    Oh Jake Burton he idiot
    Oh woe is them that break the rules


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    Please, that's the kind of Overly PC attitude that is making so much stuff in this world 'not fun'.

    Oh it's a crime
    Oh Jake Burton he idiot
    Oh woe is them that break the rules

    You're right.

    Its just that I spent several years working at a personal injury/litigation law firm, and I can see that very easily becoming a lawsuit against Burton. Burton is basically offering people money to commit a crime. This exposes him to an untold amount of civil (as well as criminal) liability. If I were the owner (or on the board of directors) of one of those mountains, you can bet your ass I'd file a lawsuit immediately for a couple of million in damages, represented in extra man-hours looking out for paid trespassers, lost business from customers who seek exclusivity, plus whatever else I could make up. Not nice, but welcome to the world of real business.

    So like I said before, I think its an amusing idea, but incredibly stupid from a business perspective. Jake Burton is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company; its not a smart thing to do.

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    Guess since I'm looking at it from a different viewpoint. Considering my line of work and brands I currently (and have) marketed for.

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