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    Re: Learning to Ski


    not exactly southern NH, King Pine, in Madison is a good hill for beginners, short, not crowded, you can make a lot of runs, they have night skiing as well

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    Re: Learning to Ski

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    Next order of business, get fitted for boots as soon as you're ready to commit. They are your most important piece of gear. Marry your boots, date your skis. IMO heat molding and custom foot beds are worth it but I have high arches with flexible feet so some form of arch support is needed for my own comfort. I started with Dr Scholl's arch supports before dropping the coin on customs.
    I am dreading the boot-shopping process. I have weird shaped feet that make it hard to buy footwear. Very high arches/insteps and slightly wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petorius View Post
    I am dreading the boot-shopping process. I have weird shaped feet that make it hard to buy footwear. Very high arches/insteps and slightly wide.
    Then it's even more imperative that you go to a good boot fitter. It's the one area I recommend you don't try and save money in. I wish I had recommendations for people in the area but I only go to my guy in Killington.

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    Quote Originally Posted by Petorius View Post
    I am dreading the boot-shopping process. I have weird shaped feet that make it hard to buy footwear. Very high arches/insteps and slightly wide.
    they form them to your feet now...like was said above...go to an experienced shop with someone who who has been fitting boots for a long time...don't skimp on boots

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    Re: Learning to Ski

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    they form them to your feet now...like was said above...go to an experienced shop with someone who who has been fitting boots for a long time...don't skimp on boots
    Any recommendations on flex for a newcomer?

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    they form them to your feet now...like was said above...go to an experienced shop with someone who who has been fitting boots for a long time...don't skimp on boots
    You can also go to a sole specialist. Went to one in NH. Perfect molded soles fory wonky right ankle. He also had a database for boots he'd suggest for your feet

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    I wouldn't get custom boot liners or soles yet. Actually off the rack boots most people are okay with. And there are maybe more than 10 companies make boots and if you allot enough time to try on a lot of different ones then narrow it down to a couple then spend some time in each one that will help. Only a pair of socks go in a boot. So under my ski pants I use boot length long johns.https://www.smartwool.com/shop/base-...nId=001#hero=2. I don't want overlay in my boot which could bunch up and cause a circulation issue. For ski pants I use North Face Freedom pants. I like them for 3 reasons. The side pockets are horizontal instead of vertical like most ski pants. If I forget to zipper I won't lose my wallet or phone. Also they can be ordered in lengths. Most pants are S M L XL XXL XXL. North face you pick the waist side and length. I pick short so I ain't walking around in them and having the backs go under my boot wrecking them. Also it doesn't get stuck in the ski binding. Lastly they are durable. I have two pairs and they are ten years old and are perfect except some fade on the knees. I had to kneel in them and help adjust countless boots on students in my classes. I have had seasons where I skied every day and worked in them as a instructor 5-6 days week. They are a tough pant. https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/me...ariationId=JK3 On boots I would stay with soft. I have used boots with a high flex for high performance. I have used soft boots. Soft boots are warmer, more forgiving, and tend not to be sore. Also they work way better in moguls. Jackets. Myself I usually wear what the resort gives me for classes. I always remove the hood. I don't like how it pulls down on the helmet. My personal equipment I don't have hoods. Personal preference. When picking a helmet bear in mine some are easy to put sound in and some are not. If that is a plan then bear that in mind. Under my ski coat I just wear a ski shirt. Only on the very coldest February days I need a sweater. In picking out a ski jacket you want a powder skirt. The powder skirt is a waterproof section of elasticized fabric at the bottom of a jacket above the hem and includes a gripper elastic bottom to create a snug barrier around your waist. It keeps snow out if you fall and drafts out. Pretty nice for Utah and three feet of powder too. Goggles or sunglasses are recommended. Sunscreen.

    PS. Don't wear jeans under the ski pants.

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    Any recommendations on flex for a newcomer?
    i'd say soft to medium on boots but i'm still rocking some old gear (20+ years old)...my skis (rossignol cut 10.7 super) are as old as my boots (nordica)...they are too long for me and the technology in the rental skis at the mountains are way beyond what's in my skis...i do know that boots are the most important piece of gear you will buy...when i upgrade when my daughter gets older i will probably buy new boots first and then get new skis

    https://www.powderlife.com/blog/ski-...-need-to-know/

    also as was said above...get a helmet and double pane goggles to reduce fogging...i run a colombia jacket and pants, a boeri helmet with vents that can be opened, smith goggles, a balaclava, a spyder shirt, long johns, smartwool socks, dakine gloves and usually put extra layers up top depending on the weather

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    Stiffness of the boot last is tough topic. There are so many variables involved outside of raw skill like your weight, strength, and general aggressiveness. For an adult male with no experience, I'd have a hard time recommending a soft boot. Medium stiffness should probably be the minimum. I would be looking for something around an 80 unless you very light weight. When you try on boots if you can flex them to the point the ankles bulge, I would look for something stiffer.

    I'm heavy, strong, experienced, and have large calves and the boot market does not cater to that combination. Most boots that can accommodate my calves are way too soft and are easy to over flex. Most stiff boots are designed for 180lbs racers and not the larger side of the market. After trying on a half dozen pairs and not liking anything, my boot fitter told me to humor him and try on a pair of Atomic race boots with a 130 last. I was able to get my feet in and the top of the liner sits just under my calf, but I had to take them off after 30 minutes. His comment was if I could make it that long the first time, he could make the boot work. He worked with me over next 3 hours doing various things to the boots including heating the liners, adjusting the range of buckles, and putting foot beds in (in-between Dr. Scholl's and custom) and managed to get them reasonably comfortable. Another several days of wearing them around the house and a couple of seasons of skiing in them and they are fairly comfortable unless I clamp the hell out of them. I did have to buy a pair of super thin ski socks from Darn Tough as there is no room for forgiveness in them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    Stiffness of the boot last is tough topic. There are so many variables involved outside of raw skill like your weight, strength, and general aggressiveness. For an adult male with no experience, I'd have a hard time recommending a soft boot. Medium stiffness should probably be the minimum. I would be looking for something around an 80 unless you very light weight. When you try on boots if you can flex them to the point the ankles bulge, I would look for something stiffer.

    I'm heavy, strong, experienced, and have large calves and the boot market does not cater to that combination. Most boots that can accommodate my calves are way too soft and are easy to over flex. Most stiff boots are designed for 180lbs racers and not the larger side of the market. After trying on a half dozen pairs and not liking anything, my boot fitter told me to humor him and try on a pair of Atomic race boots with a 130 last. I was able to get my feet in and the top of the liner sits just under my calf, but I had to take them off after 30 minutes. His comment was if I could make it that long the first time, he could make the boot work. He worked with me over next 3 hours doing various things to the boots including heating the liners, adjusting the range of buckles, and putting foot beds in (in-between Dr. Scholl's and custom) and managed to get them reasonably comfortable. Another several days of wearing them around the house and a couple of seasons of skiing in them and they are fairly comfortable unless I clamp the hell out of them. I did have to buy a pair of super thin ski socks from Darn Tough as there is no room for forgiveness in them!



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    FYI to cheat with stiff boots in moguls loosen the buckles. A lot. It will help greatly with fore and aft movements.

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    To add to the confusion, stiffness number is not a standard across the industry. Think DIN (standard) vs trail rating (variable). My 130 Solomon AT boots are no where near the 130 of a Lange boot. So, while all of this is great info, getting a great boot fitter getting you in something you can wear all day and learn in is the most important part. By the time you know what's going on with all the tech and how it differs and how it feels you'll be ready for another pair of boots and you can dial in your needs.

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    Quote Originally Posted by Petorius View Post
    I am dreading the boot-shopping process. I have weird shaped feet that make it hard to buy footwear. Very high arches/insteps and slightly wide.
    Frank at Skinner’s @ Mt Sunapee circle is great.

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    They did my first pair. I liked em.

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    I'm heavy, strong, experienced, and have large calves and the boot market does not cater to that combination. Most boots that can accommodate my calves are way too soft and are easy to over flex. Most stiff boots are designed for 180lbs racers and not the larger side of the market. After trying on a half dozen pairs and not liking anything, my boot fitter told me to humor him and try on...
    Ha! I'm similar.

    Last time out I landed in a pair of Dalbello boots that have "120" on them. I presume that is the stiffness we are talking about here. They were the only rec boot they had that I liked at all.

    Back when I was a senior in HS my grandfather took me out to buy me my first pair of non hand-me-down gear as a graduation gift. He was set on a mid tier rec boot for me. But after I tried on everything they had in stock and just bent my knee right to the ground with ease like they were x-country boots he relented and bought me a fantastic pair of salomon race boots. Of course that was the 90's; the same shopping trip left me skiing a pair of massive 205cm slalom sticks. Man, I could boogie on that setup.

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    Close and cheap are good ....maybe look at Crotched too. Less than an hour away and they have cheap night skiing. Not a ton of variety but it's plenty of hill for your first year. Boots are definitely the most important thing but in reality you're probably not going to outperform, any decent gear your first year unless you're getting in a lot of days and going at it hard. Practice your panic stops. Learn to carve. At the end of the season do some demos. I've got some great deals with lowball offers this way. They'll likely throw on a free tune if you ask for it too.

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    Re: Learning to Ski

    why buy when you are learning, rent your equipment a few times before you buy

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    why buy when you are learning, rent your equipment a few times before you buy
    If you notice, I said as soon as you're ready to commit. That time frame may be different for different people but getting your own boots should be number one if you're ready to commit to being serious about it.

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