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    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    Thank you, someone else realizes that this was not a check for 2.5 billion dollars, it was only like $312 million dollars a year.
    And on the grand scheme of things, one can't even call that a SHOE STRING budget... It's kinda hard to believe they pulled it off with such little funding.

    Can you imagine some other private company achieving something like this with just $312m a year?

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    Re: NASA means something again

    This may also be of interest to some of you

    http://mars-one.com/en/

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbvt View Post
    How did the common man benefit from Columbus's travels so quickly? It was about three-quarters of a century before any successful settlements sprang up in North America, and a lot longer till it really became a viable place for people to move their families to.
    -THANK YOU! Exactly what I was going to say, but it was only one chapter in my history book!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    I can't understand why we're spending $3.5 BILLION to land a craft on Mars. Never mind what's been done in years past (Star Wars, GPS, etc.). Why on Earth (no pun intended) are we spending THAT kind of money on THIS? I can't wrap my head around it...

    Don't crawl up my ass. I'm open to someone changing my mind about it. Not about actually pulling off a true marvel, which it was. But WHY? Why in THEE hell do we need to know what's up with Mars? We have a hard enough time dealing with our own planet's shit...
    Because if we only researched something with a direct market viability we really wouldn't research much at all. That's why research is ground breaking and you make discoveries. It's not like building a house. You don't say "I want this, so I'm going to do this". The research will guide it's self by the discoveries made and a lot of the benefit is the solutions made to over come hurdles on the way. If you look at all the technology that has been developed in the process of achieving the final goal there is no denying the importance of funding our scientific research, especially NASA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbvt View Post



    How did the common man benefit from Columbus's travels so quickly? It was about three-quarters of a century before any successful settlements sprang up in North America, and a lot longer till it really became a viable place for people to move their families to

    --mark
    People benefited because Columbus actually RETURNED with spices, fruits, gold, tobbacco, seeds, slaves etc.. Did you forget that part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fineout View Post
    -THANK YOU! Exactly what I was going to say, but it was only one chapter in my history book!
    Read the chapter about when he returns....

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    Quote Originally Posted by idratherberidin View Post
    People benefited because Columbus actually RETURNED with spices, fruits, gold, tobbacco, seeds, slaves etc.. Did you forget that part?
    wasn't there something about Queen Isabella of Spain selling her jewels to finance his trip with the promise that he was going to actually make it to India....?

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    science channel special starts in 8 minutes

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    Re: NASA means something again

    A couple of my friends from school worked on the landing gear and wheels so I support them in their endeavor. I'm also kind of a sci fi guy so watching the videos and seeing the pictures gets me all fired up.

    There are a few points I've picked up.

    A lot of that taxpayer money goes to scientists, engineers, personnel who turn right around and give the money back to the system in the form of taxes and economic support. Think about it, all kinds of services would benefit from being in the vicinity of these people earning close to six figures or more. Local area stimulus if you will.

    If you hadn't heard it already, for example, the olympics cost 3.5-4 billion a year to fund/advertise/etc, totalling to about 15 billion every 4 years. Mars rover curiosity project maybe was 2.5-3 billion? I know it provided jobs for at least 7 years, maybe more?

    I think if it was laid out on paper, fiscally the pros would outweigh the cons. I obviously have no direct proof of this. I am only speculating.

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    I dunno I think Oreo and KB could have a heck of a blowout with half the $$

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    the air force has the classified space plane that regularly spends significant periods of time in space doing dark things in dark places. How much you wanna bet THAT thing has a budget WAY above this mars mission and that mo-fucker isnt even leaving orbit.

    NASA hit the ball way out of the park on this one. Anyone who can't see that is a goofball. None of us, and I mean none, will acheive anything in our lifetimes close to as difficult as what they just pulled off. Unless one of you has cold fusion, perpetual motion, or a cure for cancer up your sleeve. There is just no comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    I can't understand why we're spending $3.5 BILLION to land a craft on Mars. Never mind what's been done in years past (Star Wars, GPS, etc.). Why on Earth (no pun intended) are we spending THAT kind of money on THIS? I can't wrap my head around it...

    Don't crawl up my ass. I'm open to someone changing my mind about it. Not about actually pulling off a true marvel, which it was. But WHY? Why in THEE hell do we need to know what's up with Mars? We have a hard enough time dealing with our own planet's shit...
    "All civilizations become either spacefaring or extinct."

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    The accomplishment of such a difficult task serves as a tremendous morale boost for the country.
    A revelatory announcement about Mars could constitute an "October surprise" by the Obama administration prior to the election.Who knows ????

    On the same token we are also spending money on fighter aircraft like Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor (suuuper) that are built to "fight" an unknown alien race.

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    I stopped reading through this early yesterday. But I feel I need to point out that I learned today that NASA is no longer funded by 'us'. I've read that it's privately funded now. I don't know if that's entirely accurate. But it bears mentioning...

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    NASA still receives funding from the US gov't, just not as much as it used to. It receives less than 1% of the US budget.

    You can always look at it this way: the $3.5 billion it cost to send that rover to Mars would be offset by 4 whole days of welfare spending cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    I stopped reading through this early yesterday. But I feel I need to point out that I learned today that NASA is no longer funded by 'us'. I've read that it's privately funded now. I don't know if that's entirely accurate. But it bears mentioning...
    NASA is a government agency.
    It's 2013 Budget has been proposed to be $17.7 billion which is about $59 million less than 2012.

    http://www.space.com/14551-nasa-budg...bama-mars.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTie4k View Post
    NASA still receives funding from the US gov't, just not as much as it used to. It receives less than 1% of the US budget.

    You can always look at it this way: the $3.5 billion it cost to send that rover to Mars would be offset by 4 whole days of welfare spending cuts.
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    NASA is a government agency.
    It's 2013 Budget has been proposed to be $17.7 billion which is about $59 million less than 2012.

    http://www.space.com/14551-nasa-budg...bama-mars.html
    I stand corrected. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    I stopped reading through this early yesterday. But I feel I need to point out that I learned today that NASA is no longer funded by 'us'. I've read that it's privately funded now. I don't know if that's entirely accurate. But it bears mentioning...
    And that really sucks. Instead of reading the well made points about the benefits of NASA you said it's a waste right now and then put your fingers in your ears to ignore anything counter to what you very much incorrectly believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    And that really sucks. Instead of reading the well made points about the benefits of NASA you said it's a waste right now and then put your fingers in your ears to ignore anything counter to what you very much incorrectly believe.
    Especially when he said this early on:
    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Don't crawl up my ass. I'm open to someone changing my mind about it. Not about actually pulling off a true marvel, which it was. But WHY? Why in THEE hell do we need to know what's up with Mars? We have a hard enough time dealing with our own planet's shit...
    If you ask people to try to change your mind and then ignore the things they right, that seems pretty rude to me.

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    I realize that those who mentioned Columbus are talking about early exploration here, but quite of few of you should get your facts straight. Columbus didn't discover shit, and it wasn't even an exploration mission akin to any NASA mission (to the moon, or mars)... it was a commercial mission to Asia for trade... which would be more like if we found some random awesome planet we didn't know about en-route to Mars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    And that really sucks. Instead of reading the well made points about the benefits of NASA you said it's a waste right now and then put your fingers in your ears to ignore anything counter to what you very much incorrectly believe.
    Honestly, I lost interest when it started getting compared to the UN, European settlers & Columbus. After reading through it now, I see there are some good points. Once I read some of the early posts, I fully expected it to turn into a Bush/Obama/Romney shitshow and just walked away. Shit, I even admitted to getting the $$ figure incorrect! Which was really the only thing I presented as what I thought was fact....

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    Because of all of that trickle down technology, every $1 spent on missions like this often results in $8-$14 added to the GDP. Everything from mattresses to cell phones to toilets has been affected by NASA, but everybody takes it for granted and wants something of value to come back from the mission itself. We are so focused on immediate returns on investment that we've lost sight of the big picture and can't appreciate the numerous ancillary benefits. I think missions like this are awesome.
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/inn...h-products.htm

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    Re: NASA means something again

    Some highlights for people who can't be bothered to click the link:

    • Light-emitting diodes, developed for NASA plant growth experiments, can be used for cancer treatment and to promote faster wound healing.
    • Infrared technology, which NASA used to detect the birth of stars, has resulted in a thermometer lets doctor take body temperature in the ear canal.
    • Technology developed for the Mars Viking lander evolved into a programmable, implanted insulin pump that replaces insulin shots for persons with diabetes.
    • NASA technology has improved breast cancer detection. Better mammography systems reduce the need for biopsies.
    • A space shuttle fuel pump led to a miniature heart assist device that could be implanted in patients awaiting a heart transplant.
    • NASA didn't invent cordless tools, but since there are no extension cords in space, the agency contributed to the technology that gives us portable screwdrivers and battery-powered vacuum cleaners.
    • Bicycle makers have used NASA research to develop aerodynamic bicycle wheels with only three spokes.
    • A protective coating that NASA developed to protect buildings from saltwater along the Florida coast, where it launches many of its rockets, was adapted by a private company for use on bridges and roadways.
    • An intelligent oven that lets you start cooking a meal via your cell phone or the Web was based on NASA computer technology.
    Please tell me again how the money spent on NASA is wasted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NobodySpecific View Post
    Some highlights for people who can't be bothered to click the link:

    Please tell me again how the money spent on NASA is wasted?
    I think it's pretty cool that the government requires NASA to make their "inventions" public so that people can utilize the technology for their own purposes. Too bad I'm not smart enough to take advantage of the stuff or rework the technology that they create. Who knows...maybe iPhones and iPads were based off of NASA technology...

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    I dunno about iphones and ipads but a lot of our telecommunications tech is based on their stuff.

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