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    What do you guys think about this bike? I'm partial to devinci because of their manufacturing with local labour/materials.
    I mostly ride harold parker/ the fells but will be hitting up highland next year and branching out around MA this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpw22077 View Post
    What do you guys think about this bike? I'm partial to devinci because of their manufacturing with local labour/materials.
    I mostly ride harold parker/ the fells but will be hitting up highland next year and branching out around MA this year.

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    You’d be pretty hard pressed to get me back on a regular 650b wheeled bike. Plus, 29, or I’m pretty much all set.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    You’d be pretty hard pressed to get me back on a regular 650b wheeled bike. Plus, 29, or I’m pretty much all set.
    I still haven't drank that koolaid. Haven't even tried anything bigger than 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Youd be pretty hard pressed to get me back on a regular 650b wheeled bike. Plus, 29, or Im pretty much all set.
    I'm still on 26" so I figure I can make do with a 650b for now as far as jumping wheel size

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I still haven't drank that koolaid. Haven't even tried anything bigger than 26".
    You have a fat bike, right? Despite it being a 26” rim, it has the rollover of a 29” wheel. Consider yourself hydrated.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    You have a fat bike, right? Despite it being a 26” rim, it has the rollover of a 29” wheel. Consider yourself hydrated.
    I thought about that... Still doesn't count.

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    Counts.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by hpw22077 View Post
    What do you guys think about this bike? I'm partial to devinci because of their manufacturing with local labour/materials.
    I mostly ride harold parker/ the fells but will be hitting up highland next year and branching out around MA this year.

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    I think frame size/wheel size should agree to an extent. A small bike with 29 looks funny as does an XL with 26. If you’re riding Harold Parker and need an XL, I’d go for a 29er. I love HP, but the rocky trails are hard. If you like this bike and deal, grip it and rip it. It will work absolutely great.

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    Depends on your riding. I have a 29er and a 27.5. The 29er is my every day bike for riding around here where my local trail is gnarly HP. Less technical and more jumpy (like Bear Brook, KT, Dorchester, etc) and I'm on my 27.5. Horses for courses.

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    Ok so I puss'd out on the race yesterday. I wish I would have done it, would have been great conditions. That said, we didn't get home from Mexico until about 1:00 am Saturday night and I'd been drinking tequila all week. Not exactly in "race trim." The real bummer is it puts me out of the running for the 4 Seasons Grand Championship.

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    There’s always the ‘tour.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    So, now that we're buying a house out in the woods I'd eventually like to get back into cycling somewhat regularly this summer. Years ago I had an 06 Quintana Roo Kilo that an Ironman buddy of mine sold me super cheap ($500). I loved that thing but it was obviously super aggressive and not terribly comfortable. For use, I'll probably be doing 50 to 75 miles per week. Budget will probably be <$1000 for something well set up but lightly used. I'll also completely admit I fall for the superficial "cool" factor when it comes to toys, the QR definitely ticked that box. I'm a little partial to Cannondale simply because I have a mountain bike that I like, but I'm open to ideas. As far as size goes, I'm a hair over 6' with a 33" inseam give or take. The QR was a size 54, but I was told its best to be a little smaller on TT/Tri bikes because of the aerobars.

    Thoughts on what to keep an eye out for?

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    Any interest in doing any gravel with it? If so...check out the Salsa Journeyman. Likely to be my next whip.

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    I have a 54cm gravel/cross bike fs in your price range.
    If your comfy on that size, you just need a stem to fit, as I have a shorter one on it now, which will sit you up some.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyanNicholson View Post
    As far as size goes, I'm a hair over 6' with a 33" inseam give or take. The QR was a size 54, but I was told its best to be a little smaller on TT/Tri bikes because of the aerobars.

    Thoughts on what to keep an eye out for?
    I would think that a 56 or 58cm frame would be right for someone your size. I'm just under 6'1" and I'm on a 58.

    I had good luck with Shimano 105 components in the past so when I went looking for a bike last year I was looking for Shimano 105 or Ultegra components. I ended up with a 105 bike and have no complaints so far.

    This could be a decent deal on a used 2014 carbon framed 105 bike that could fit you. It's in your price range and should work fine for stomping around local roads. I don't know anything about that particular model Jamis or the seller, I just found it with a quick CL search.

    2014 Jamis Xenith Comp 56cm - bicycles - by owner - bike sale

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    Trek Domane 4.5 Road Bike (Price Drop) - bicycles - by owner - bike sale

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    I have an AL frame "adventure" or "gravel-ish" bike that has 105 components. I love it.
    Several of my friends ride similar carbon setups. My buddy scored an amazing deal on a CF bike with Ultegra bits. It's nicer.. but not by much to my eye. When I was riding regular I had no problem keeping up with him at our recreational pace. I've done 60 mile days in it with no complaints.

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    All good info. I hadn't considered a gravel bike since I have the mountain bike as well but might be worth exploring. Are they "more appropriate" than a normal road bike on NH backroads (pot holes, bumps, etc)? I've never ridden one.

    That Jamis is along the lines of what I had in mind for sure, I just don't know anything about the brand other than they're expensive enough they probably aren't shit.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Bigger volume tires are, in general, more comfortable to ride, as you can run lower pressures.
    There is a tipping point where speed starts to drop off, for a straight road bike.
    On a bike that FITS bigger tires, you can easily run a set of 25mm road tires if that’s what you’re into. However, good luck putting anything bigger than a 28 on most traditional road bikes. The newer gen of comfort disc road bikes allow for a little more clearance than your regular rim brake bike (non cantilever).

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    I am always one to push a cyclocross bike instead of a road bike. It won't limit you at all on the road. The road bike will limit you if you decide to want to ride some bumpy stuff.

    You can competitively road race on a good CX bike if you wanted to. They aren't much different from a road bike other then a more slack front end, more trail, and the ability to fit wider tires.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Don't most CX bikes come with a single chainring these days? I've never ridden a CX so I don't know for sure, but I think I'd miss having the full range of gearing that the double chainring provides.

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    A cx bike with a single up front typically still provides the full range of gears. It’s just not close ratio like a 2/10 or 11 or now 12.
    You do lose some of the very top, where most people spend the least time. You can still spin out a 42/11 at 29mph.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
    Don't most CX bikes come with a single chainring these days? I've never ridden a CX so I don't know for sure, but I think I'd miss having the full range of gearing that the double chainring provides.
    1x is becoming all the rage, for sure. Once you get into 11 speed components it is typically cheaper too, because you need fewer parts. An older or more entry level bike will be likely to have a 2x system, although 1x has really started to trickle down to entry level components.

    A common range of gears for a road bike is a 50t/34t ring up front and an 11-28 cog range in the rear. Final gear ratios are 1.21 (easiest) to 4.55 (hardest). This can be accomplished on a standard short-cage (short length) rear derailleur.

    Most 1x systems come with a mid-cage derailleur. Depending the course I'll race an 11-28 or an 11-32 cassette with a 42t front ring. The 11-32 and the 42t gets you a range of 1.31 - 3.82. As Chip said, you really lose out on the top-end here compared to a typical range on a 2x road bike, but the low-end (and more important end) is pretty similar.

    The mid cage derailleur can fit up to an 11-36 cassette, but that is pushing it. If you mate that with a 40t chain ring you get a range of 1.11 - 3.64, which is a pretty killer gravel set-up. The jumps between gears sucks, but you can do everything. Also, this is me and my racer buddies that say the jumps between gears sucks. For 19/20 riders they won't even notice. That said, the 11-36 is the absolute limit of a mid-cage derailleur. I would probably just go long-cage at that point.

    If you do bump up to a long cage derailleur, you could fit 11-42 cassette or maybe even something larger! At this point, you could mate with a 44t front ring for a range of 1.00 - 4.00. If you are riding on gravel, and need something less than a 1:1 ratio, grip will be your issue. THAT IS STEEP.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Eff 2 chain rings. One by ftw.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    1x is becoming all the rage, for sure. Once you get into 11 speed components it is typically cheaper too, because you need fewer parts. An older or more entry level bike will be likely to have a 2x system, although 1x has really started to trickle down to entry level components.

    A common range of gears for a road bike is a 50t/34t ring up front and an 11-28 cog range in the rear. Final gear ratios are 1.21 (easiest) to 4.55 (hardest). This can be accomplished on a standard short-cage (short length) rear derailleur.

    Most 1x systems come with a mid-cage derailleur. Depending the course I'll race an 11-28 or an 11-32 cassette with a 42t front ring. The 11-32 and the 42t gets you a range of 1.31 - 3.82. As Chip said, you really lose out on the top-end here compared to a typical range on a 2x road bike, but the low-end (and more important end) is pretty similar.

    The mid cage derailleur can fit up to an 11-36 cassette, but that is pushing it. If you mate that with a 40t chain ring you get a range of 1.11 - 3.64, which is a pretty killer gravel set-up. The jumps between gears sucks, but you can do everything. Also, this is me and my racer buddies that say the jumps between gears sucks. For 19/20 riders they won't even notice. That said, the 11-36 is the absolute limit of a mid-cage derailleur. I would probably just go long-cage at that point.

    If you do bump up to a long cage derailleur, you could fit 11-42 cassette or maybe even something larger! At this point, you could mate with a 44t front ring for a range of 1.00 - 4.00. If you are riding on gravel, and need something less than a 1:1 ratio, grip will be your issue. THAT IS STEEP.
    With gizmos like the wolftooth road link, max cassette size per given derailleur have jumped, for way less cost than a new mech.
    It will open up the chance at a lower 1x setup fairly easily for just about every cyclist.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    With gizmos like the wolftooth road link, max cassette size per given derailleur have jumped, for way less cost than a new mech.
    It will open up the chance at a lower 1x setup fairly easily for just about every cyclist.
    12 speed eTAP with a 10 tooth little cog was also just released which allows a MASSIVE range. Believe it or not, I'm actually not getting it and I'm not even that big of a fan of it. The ability to mix/match SRAM/Shimano for so long has been amazing. Now everything is going to be proprietary. I liked the industry move to 11 speed. I don't like the move to 12.

    That said, I am adopting disc brakes on all bikes so I can cut down on my stock pile of wheels. I was never concerned about the stopping power of rib brakes, but with the hills out here disc brakes are really a huge improvement. No big deal having rim brakes back east where the hills are straight and you can just sit on the top tube and do 50+ mph. The hills here are all switch backs and rim brakes suck. You get a mental and physical fatigue descending. Once rim brakes get hot, they start to become very inconsistent. Brain and forearms need to work overtime if you want to descend with any sort of finesse/fun.

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