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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.


    Quote Originally Posted by isaac_ View Post
    I recently picked up my road bike again after a very long, LONG off season. Iíve got an garmin edge 820 and did a software update a few weeks ago. Since then, all my sensors (cadence, speed, and trainer except for HRM) keep cutting in and out. Iíve replaced the battery on the speed and cadence sensors but no luck. Has anyone ever experienced this? Iím not tempted to throw money at the sensors yet because the trainer also cuts in and out. Issue with the garmin?


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    I have struggled with this in the past. I've heard that having other bluetooth devices around can mess with the ant+ signal. I also feel that while riding the trainer, the position of my soaking wet towel had an impact....so yeah. If you are using blue tooth headphones and other extra stuff, try turning it off and see if it fixes. For me, the problem was intermittent and just eventually went away. I also never noticed it outside, only inside on the trainer. If it is all units losing signal in unison at once (speed, cadence, heart rate) it seems like it would be a unit problem. If different sensors drop out at different times then it could be a sensor problem.

    I am 100% off the garmin train. I find the wahoo units to be much more user friendly, less buggy, and more consistent. I drank the garmin coolaid as long as I could before switching this year.

    Did someone say power meter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    I have struggled with this in the past. I've heard that having other bluetooth devices around can mess with the ant+ signal. I also feel that while riding the trainer, the position of my soaking wet towel had an impact....so yeah. If you are using blue tooth headphones and other extra stuff, try turning it off and see if it fixes. For me, the problem was intermittent and just eventually went away. I also never noticed it outside, only inside on the trainer. If it is all units losing signal in unison at once (speed, cadence, heart rate) it seems like it would be a unit problem. If different sensors drop out at different times then it could be a sensor problem.

    I am 100% off the garmin train. I find the wahoo units to be much more user friendly, less buggy, and more consistent. I drank the garmin coolaid as long as I could before switching this year.

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    So the three sensors I mentioned are all cutting in/out simultaneously. But not HRM. I havenít had a chance to get outdoors hence the trainer. Maybe I should try and find some time this weekend.

    Iím also not big on Bluetooth devices. The only other device I have near them is my phone... come to think it may have started when I reset the garmin/phone connection. Huh. Iíll turn off blue tooth on my phone today and report.

    I had been reading wahoo > garmin.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    The conflict I'm having is I really want a nice fitness watch with GPS that will sync to strava. Not having heart rate info for my runs is a downer as I can't get my wahoo tickr to communicate with strava. Garmin seems to be the go-to when it comes to watches. Anyone have any other experience with watches that will interface with strava?

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    The conflict I'm having is I really want a nice fitness watch with GPS that will sync to strava. Not having heart rate info for my runs is a downer as I can't get my wahoo tickr to communicate with strava. Garmin seems to be the go-to when it comes to watches. Anyone have any other experience with watches that will interface with strava?
    I have a Garmin and I like it a lot. You don't have to do anything manually to sync with Strava. I finish my run and its on Strava within 30 seconds of getting back in bluetooth range to my phone.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    I also have a Garmin watch. I have a Wahoo HRM sensor that I use with the watch. It all works very well. I use the HRM sensor because I wanted higher res/more accurate heart rate data than the watch gives alone.
    I have no experience with any other sensors.
    I no longer sync to Strava. I only track using the garmin app. Strava is way better than the garmin app. But I don't want this data being public anymore. I did use this setup with Strava for a while and my experience was the same as Pete; it just worked.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    The conflict I'm having is I really want a nice fitness watch with GPS that will sync to strava. Not having heart rate info for my runs is a downer as I can't get my wahoo tickr to communicate with strava. Garmin seems to be the go-to when it comes to watches. Anyone have any other experience with watches that will interface with strava?
    I have the Garmin Fenix 5 watch and love it. Activities sync between Garmin Connect and Strava automatically like usual (once you've linked them, which is easy), and Garmin Connect becomes a whole lot more interesting when you start sending it data from a smart watch vs. just activity data.

    nhbubba, you can lock Strava down pretty tight. I deleted my account because it had turned into a big pretentious circle-jerk, but I joined again and now I just have no friends on there. It's perfect!

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenstein View Post
    I deleted my account because it had turned into a big pretentious circle-jerk
    Cycling a big pretentious circle-jerk? The hell you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Strava is way better than the garmin app. But I don't want this data being public anymore.
    You can mark your rides as private visibility. Although I wish they'd let the user configure the default because you have to manually set it when saving each ride.

    Of course there's no guarantees about what they're doing (or not doing) with that data.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    You can mark your rides as private visibility. Although I wish they'd let the user configure the default because you have to manually set it when saving each ride.
    https://www.strava.com/settings/privacy
    Set the activities option to 'only you' and they'll be private by default.


    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    Of course there's no guarantees about what they're doing (or not doing) with that data.
    That risk exists with any solution that you don't have 100% control over, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenstein View Post
    https://www.strava.com/settings/privacy
    Set the activities option to 'only you' and they'll be private by default.
    That's great. It's been a while since I've browsed the desktop site, but there's a few privacy settings turned down that make me think I've been in there before. I wonder if I just missed this or if it's new-ish. Either way it looks like they've got what I wanted.

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    I did some pedaling recently, and I remember why I liked it. After heading to the bike shop for new tires I got thinking about a new road steed. What I want to know is, I am missing anything by being in old iron instead of a new bike? The current horse is a 2000’s ish trek 1000. It’s functional, fairly comfortable, and seems to work, is there a much better cycling experience waiting for me out there on something 20 years newer?

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    For road I don't think so bud. Unless you want to race or are intent on covering as much damn distance as possible (more efficient.) If the goal is fitness riding and fun, a well-maintained bike that is comfortable I think is perfectly fine. Much less true with MTB I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    For road I don't think so bud. Unless you want to race or are intent on covering as much damn distance as possible (more efficient.) If the goal is fitness riding and fun, a well-maintained bike that is comfortable I think is perfectly fine. Much less true with MTB I think.
    I guess the goal is to ride as I am able to. Little things help get me out there and keep me going e.g. Strava, Bluetooth headphones, little speed computer on my handlebars. Having that stuff makes actually getting out there and going the distance easier and more enjoyable. Would a new/ newer bike help with that?

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    The only difference with a new bike vs what you currently have is the drivetrain. There’s more gears, so the ratios are closer, shifting is generally better feeling, and stuff is overall lighter.
    That last bit might not be so advantageous to a brute like yourself.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    I bought a bike with mediocre/garbage Tiagra components on it. Thinking of upgrading the drivetrain over the winter or getting a different steed. Decent drivetrain makes it much more enjoyable.

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    I’d replace drivetrain bits as they wear. Upgrade your chain and cassette when they need replacing.
    If you want to transform a mediocre bike into a ripper: invest in nice wheels.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    I’d replace drivetrain bits as they wear. Upgrade your chain and cassette when they need replacing.
    If you want to transform a mediocre bike into a ripper: invest in nice wheels.
    Chain was already replaced. Just talked to arcy and he has a rival setup that I think I'm gonna throw on. Should be better than Tiagra from what I'm reading.

    Biggest problem I have is getting it to shift correctly. Never seems to be "on".

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    The only difference with a new bike vs what you currently have is the drivetrain. There’s more gears, so the ratios are closer, shifting is generally better feeling, and stuff is overall lighter.
    That last bit might not be so advantageous to a brute like yourself.

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    That's kind of what I thought, but a trip to scottee's yesterday had me wondering. The cassette on bikes now is outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isaac_ View Post
    So the three sensors I mentioned are all cutting in/out simultaneously. But not HRM. I havenít had a chance to get outdoors hence the trainer. Maybe I should try and find some time this weekend.

    Iím also not big on Bluetooth devices. The only other device I have near them is my phone... come to think it may have started when I reset the garmin/phone connection. Huh. Iíll turn off blue tooth on my phone today and report.

    I had been reading wahoo > garmin.
    Turned off WiFi on garmin. Turned off BT on phone. Sensors kept cutting in and out. Albeit not as much. HRM started acting up today (it wasnít yesterday). Starting to think itís the garmin device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Chain was already replaced. Just talked to arcy and he has a rival setup that I think I'm gonna throw on. Should be better than Tiagra from what I'm reading.

    Biggest problem I have is getting it to shift correctly. Never seems to be "on".
    You might have a tweaked hanger or whatever. You buy it new from a shop? They should adjust it for nothing once, a break in service, if you will.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    A lot of things here, so I'm going to ramble in bullet form.

    1) Garmin watches seem to be the ticket. My GF has had a few generations of the Fenix and they have all been great. Much more accurate for running and hiking than carrying your bike computer with you...
    2) Garmin computer w/ Wahoo heart rate strap is a good combo. I've ripped through 4-5 garmin HRMs by being a very very sweaty man and logging a lot of miles. I've heard the wahoo last longer.
    3) Isaac, I'm not sure which Garmin you have, but it is likely too old to warranty. Out of warranty, you don't exist to Garmin. This is a big gripe I have with them. You may just be out of luck.
    4) JC, I agree whole-hardheartedly that little things (and big things) regarding gear make getting on the bike a lot easier. My suggestion if you replace is to buy used to not lose your shirt if you eventually just stop riding.
    5) I will forever push a gravel bike over a road bike for pure fun and getting into th esport. They are just as fast as road bikes and are more capable. I think you are more likely to continue riding with options to mix it up.
    6) Smutty, is your bike 11, 10, 9, 8, or some other speed on your bike? Need to consider that before upgrading components to see how many new parts you need. Upgrading shifters from crappy 10 speed to better 10 speed may be all the difference you are looking for. Unless Arcy is giving you the rival shifters for free, I would skip and buy force. Its better, and price differential is minimal.
    7) As Chip mentioned, poor shifting is usually an out of line derailleur hanger. I have a straightener tool for one, but they are cheap enough to replace and then keep your old as a spare. With access to a machine shop, you could probably straighten yours or make your own. Other thing that commonly messes up shifting is gunked up cables.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    A few years ago I bought a brand new, entry/mid-ish, cross-ish road bike. It is amazing.
    Best thing about it is it is so very much lighter than anything I'm used to before that. My old bike was a circa 2003-4 entry-ish mountain bike with slicks. So this likely isn't apples/apples. But weight savings is very nice. I'm sure this is diminishing return.
    Next best thing is the drivetrain. Shimano 105 2x11. Light years ahead of anything else I've pedaled. Shifts are snappy and reliable. It's easy to keep in adjustment and the controls are ergonomic and well thought out.
    Third thing I like is the (mechanical) disk brakes. YMMV big time here. Most I ride with claim even decent rim brakes are fine. Disks make wheel options arguably more limited.

    If your bike already is relatively light-weight and shifts well, you probably don't need a new one. If its heavy or has shitty components, you'll love the upgrade.

    Mine is an aluminum frame and isn't going to knock the socks off anyone serious about this. Several of the more hipsterish in my circles tried to convince me to spend more on a steel frame "touring" bike. My buddy insisted I should be looking at a serious CF road bike. I'm glad I listened to neither of these. The aluminum threaded the price/weight needle. If it cracks or breaks in 5-10 years I'll throw it away and be okay with that. CF is a waste for most of us, IMO. Definitely not worth buying a new(er) bike over.

    That's how I see it.

    My biggest problem is finding time to ride. Too much to do, too many things/people vying for my time. I miss being able to take 1-2 hours and just randomly go pedal. But even for a ~40 min ride every month or so (yep, that's where I am) I really like having something nice to ride. Makes me look forward to it a lot more.

    Biggest upgrades on my horizon are a new set of shoes and a longer offset stem.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    A lot of things here, so I'm going to ramble in bullet form.

    1) Garmin watches seem to be the ticket. My GF has had a few generations of the Fenix and they have all been great. Much more accurate for running and hiking than carrying your bike computer with you...
    2) Garmin computer w/ Wahoo heart rate strap is a good combo. I've ripped through 4-5 garmin HRMs by being a very very sweaty man and logging a lot of miles. I've heard the wahoo last longer.
    3) Isaac, I'm not sure which Garmin you have, but it is likely too old to warranty. Out of warranty, you don't exist to Garmin. This is a big gripe I have with them. You may just be out of luck.
    4) JC, I agree whole-hardheartedly that little things (and big things) regarding gear make getting on the bike a lot easier. My suggestion if you replace is to buy used to not lose your shirt if you eventually just stop riding.
    5) I will forever push a gravel bike over a road bike for pure fun and getting into th esport. They are just as fast as road bikes and are more capable. I think you are more likely to continue riding with options to mix it up.
    6) Smutty, is your bike 11, 10, 9, 8, or some other speed on your bike? Need to consider that before upgrading components to see how many new parts you need. Upgrading shifters from crappy 10 speed to better 10 speed may be all the difference you are looking for. Unless Arcy is giving you the rival shifters for free, I would skip and buy force. Its better, and price differential is minimal.
    7) As Chip mentioned, poor shifting is usually an out of line derailleur hanger. I have a straightener tool for one, but they are cheap enough to replace and then keep your old as a spare. With access to a machine shop, you could probably straighten yours or make your own. Other thing that commonly messes up shifting is gunked up cables.
    What I have now and what Arcy has is both 10 speed. He said I'd have to buy him lunch and tell him how pretty he looks and the group is mine, so I think I am going to go with that.

    Good call on the derailleur hanger. I will check that out.

    Also...has anyone dealt with numbness in the toes? Have been doing some reading on it. Has happened to me right foot only for a while now across multiple pair of shoes and pedals while clipped in.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    The last time I was banging my head against the wall with a derailleur that wouldn't get in tune it was a bent hanger. It wasn't enough to spot with the naked eye, but replacing it fixed the problem.

    I just bought some new shoes and have been getting numb in the toes/foot. I have the same problem with my ski boots. I prefer they be super tight, but it seems too much pressure across the top center of my foot causes numbness. I'm not sure if it's circulation or nerve compression. If it's primarily when you're clipped in, I wonder if the cleat is too far forward, which causes you to naturally press the foot forward in to the tongue of the shoe.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenstein View Post
    nhbubba, you can lock Strava down pretty tight. I deleted my account because it had turned into a big pretentious circle-jerk, but I joined again and now I just have no friends on there. It's perfect!
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    You can mark your rides as private visibility. Although I wish they'd let the user configure the default because you have to manually set it when saving each ride.

    Of course there's no guarantees about what they're doing (or not doing) with that data.
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    https://www.strava.com/settings/privacy
    Set the activities option to 'only you' and they'll be private by default.

    That risk exists with any solution that you don't have 100% control over, unfortunately.
    If you aren't paying for the product, you ARE the product!

    I have a little more comfort with the Garmin apps as that whole thing is a value-add they need to produce to move hardware.
    Overall, Stava didn't add enough for me without the social aspect. And I was done with that.
    I also felt the competitive aspect, even found myself getting annoyed with obvious cheaters.
    The whole MTB "B-line" cutter thing gets to me. I'm just not interested in feeding that ecosystem anymore. I'll get my competitive itch scratched elsewhere.

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