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    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    Even on (relatively) short rides I’m having some weird discomfort. I get tingling in feet and hands and my seat is miserable. I don’t remember being so uncomfortable years ago when I rode more regularly. Is this something that will go away with time? I don’t think a new seat would hurt but how does one go about finding what works without throwing away a bunch of money on saddles you don’t like or maybe getting lucky and loving the first one?



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    Spend a couple bucks on a proper "fit" at a lbs. Made a big difference with me on a few problems I was having. They let you try different saddles etc while you're there on the trainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    Even on (relatively) short rides I’m having some weird discomfort. I get tingling in feet and hands and my seat is miserable. I don’t remember being so uncomfortable years ago when I rode more regularly. Is this something that will go away with time? I don’t think a new seat would hurt but how does one go about finding what works without throwing away a bunch of money on saddles you don’t like or maybe getting lucky and loving the first one?



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    I had the same problem when I started riding again last year. I hoped it would go away with time but in my case it didn't, it kept getting worse. After a few months I bought a new seat based on Fizik's website fitting info and it was even more uncomfortable, so I scheduled a "seat fitting" at Wheelworks in Belmont rather than throwing more money at new seats.

    The guy who did the fitting, Ed Sassler (?), told me that most of the seat issues that they see are really fit issues. They put my bike on a trainer with me clipped in and had me pedal while he looked everything over. He ended up lowering my seat and pushing it forward even though my hips weren't rocking on the seat while pedaling, and he sold me a new seat which I could exchange if it didn't work out. He took the Fizik seat that I bought in exchange for the fitting. The new seat position is working fine for me and the new seat itself is definitely better than the stock one.

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    I ordered a new sale that should work this morning. If that doesn't work out I'll certainly try to get fit while trying new saddles. I'm afraid that might bike is just a little too small for me and if I try to fit it professionally, I'll end up on a new ride. Pricing out some upgrades on my bike currently puts me into new bike prices already.

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    A fit is an excellent way to spend money, but don't think you need to jump into that first. The GCN channel has great youtube videos on basic fit set-up.

    Butts are weird. I have wide ass hips, but narrow seat bones. The trend seems to be moving from long narrow saddles to short wide saddles. If you just want to order something and try it, I suggest starting with your brand of choice in a shorter and wider saddle. I'm gonna be that guy again, but the Specialized Power seems to work for just about everyone, which they offer in affordable and expensive options and the pre-owned market is big (but demand is also high).

    https://www.specialized.com/us/en/po...=229240-155836

    Your LBS should be able to help you measure your sit bones and direct you to some saddles to try. They will have test saddles they let you take home and swap in and out until you are comfortable. The end result is you buy a saddle from them for full retail, but you get a kick-ass service out of it.

    If you can't find a saddle that works with this process, a fit may be the answer. You do have to remember that road cycling is an inherently awkward position and you need to build up a tolerance with some form of consistent riding. No matter how long I've been doing this, some days I'm just uncomfortable, my butt hurts, or I can get a numb hand or foot here or there.

    Also, a good fitter won't make you feel bad about your bike or try to up-sell you on a new sized bike unless its absolutely necessary. They should work with you to get the right length stem, right offset seat post, and right saddle to make your current bike work. I have recommendations in Boston and Newton if anyone needs them.

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    A good week of cycling so far. Went out for a half hour ride Monday after work, did a familiar route that's about 6 miles. When I was previously in less terrible shape I would average about 13 mph on the Jamis, I did it at 12.8 on the new whip. So yeah, when performance expectations of new equipment meet reality of actual fitness; turns out you still have to pedal the thing. That said though, I really have let myself get into poor shape so to lap at the same speed as when I was in reasonably better shape speaks highly of the new whip.

    My driving route to work is 6.8 miles, and there's tons of options to branch out and make it more all while riding lower traffic volume streets. Yesterday I packed a change of clothes, my cycling gear, and my bike. Took a 10 mile ride home (avg 12.9 mph) and then back in this morning on a 9 mile route (avg 13.8 mph.) Usually with mine and my wife's schedule I can't ride both ways the same day because of kid duty, this works out well, I have a shower at work. I'm going to take tomorrow off, ride Saturday morning and try and get 20 miles in.

    I really am loving the bike even though I'm slow. I took almost no time to get used to the SRAM shifter, I really like that system. I have to be going about 35 mph to exceed my gearing which only occurs on extended downhill runs, so I'm cool with that. The gear spacing on 1x11 is somewhat broad, but I'm too out of shape to worry about perfect cadence now anyway. I'm definitely going to want a GPS cycling computer where I can plan routes with way-points once I start ranging out a bit further. That said, I'm committing to no bike-bling until I can average 15 mph consistently. I've made some strict diet changes. Historically we always cook pretty healthy and 98% of the food I eat is prepared at home, my crux has always been snacking on extremely unhealthy things when I get pissed or bored. Alcohol consumption is also in for a big change, I have a bad habit of taking down a 4 pack of IPA's 3-5 days a week so that's done too. I've decided on 4 hall passes a month, good for one day, to consume whatever delicious bevs I choose.

    I'd like to get started doing the group rides with BikeWorks, but I feel like I need to build a little more fitness before I do, even for the no-drop rides. Likewise I'd like to get out and ride with some of you fellas, but again, fitness first. My goal for that is to be able to average 15 mph for 2 hours in the slowly undulating terrain down here in SE MA.

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    I’ll take you on a reasonable “dual sport loop” anytime you want where you ain’t gotta worry about speed at all. As a matter of fact, that type of riding (for me) is the exact opposite.
    Cycling specific devices have been (again, for me) a pita. I’ve never been able to successfully load a route, and they really aren’t designed for you to waypoint one out from their interface. To my eye, they’re purely data collection machines, because cyclist types seem to obsess over that stuff.
    I’m thrilled to hear that it’s given you some inspiration to make some diet changes. I need that kind of change too. I’ve been slacking. And eating ice cream.

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    I’ll take you on a reasonable “dual sport loop” anytime you want where you ain’t gotta worry about speed at all. As a matter of fact, that type of riding (for me) is the exact opposite.
    Cycling specific devices have been (again, for me) a pita. I’ve never been able to successfully load a route, and they really aren’t designed for you to waypoint one out from their interface. To my eye, they’re purely data collection machines, because cyclist types seem to obsess over that stuff.
    I’m thrilled to hear that it’s given you some inspiration to make some diet changes. I need that kind of change too. I’ve been slacking. And eating ice cream.
    If you have Saturday early AM available I'm game, has to be fairly early though as I'm wheels up to NH at 10:30 AM. Also, I could do a post-work ride tomorrow as well, could make it to your hood by 6:00 PM with no upper limit on my time following. If not, lets do it soon, thanks man.

    I've been struggling with fitness since I changed jobs about 3 1/2 years ago. I went from contracting, working 6:00 AM - 2:30 and heading to the gym most days afterwards to working in an office environment and keeping office hours. Also during this time my offspring came around which offers its own set of challenges on your time as many of you know. I've had a rough time figuring out how to make it all work. Ultimately I'm fairly financially motivated so I guess I'm hoping a bit that spending over $2k on a bike might make me at least guilt ride the damn thing. Turns out I'm actually enjoying road now so I may not have to resort to guilt.

    RE: the cycling computer, I was under the impression that the Wahoo model I'm looking at does some of the route planning that I'm looking for. I'm not entirely sure I'll ever be the type of cyclist who gives many shits about loads of data. I like to see a basic ride summary that shows me distance, avg speed, and elevation, but other than that I can't really see myself caring much about the rest. I picked up a Delta Hefty Plus at the LBS near my work yesterday so I could nav the route I wanted to take, but I hated the way Google Maps executed it. I planned out a route on my PC then pushed it to my phone, which was simple. The problem came when I started my ride; every time I hit a way-point instead of continuing to navigate to my next point, it would pause and I had to manually "start" navigation to the next. Boo. Also, there are a limited number of way-points you can enter into Google Maps.

    So I guess I'm looking for is a good app? Either that or just a decent GPS unit where I can program a route on my PC or phone then push it to the device.

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    What you’re looking for is beyond my scope of knowledge.

    Anyways, Saturday is my next shift, so that’s out. I’m gonna head out here in a little bit, and may have a pass to roll around tomorrow eve, otherwise, but me when you return from the north woods.

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    The Wahoo unit is incredibly easy to make routes, load and follow routes. Much better than garmin, but in the end its all the same.

    www.ridewithgps.com

    Make a profile, link it to your wahoo account. When you make a route on the website, it auto pushes to your wahoo. Simple as that, no need to plug in or anything, just need to hit a sync button.

    The SRAM shifting system is awesome. Again, its all the same (let out, or take in cable) but the lever feel is great compared to Shimano. Even better: SRAMs electronic shifting; its like driving an F1 car. Left paddle goes down a gear, right goes up a gear.

    Duncan, your planning sounds pretty awesome to me. I went through a major weight loss. Quitting booze mon-friday was the easiest thing for me. If you start cycling, don't worry about the snacking all that much, you'll need calories. But liquid calories are the devil. 4 IPAs is probably 1k calories. That's a lot.

    Switch to 4 bourbons to the tune of 250 calories if you really need to drink. I'm not gonna downplay vices, mine is a jar of peanut butter and it doesn't get any more calorie dense than that.

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    I have an app called KOMOOT that I've used to plan rides, but I haven't actually used it on my phone while riding. It might do what you need LB.

    I get all the data that I need with a cheap wired Cateye computer. If I was training for racing or a big tour I would definitely invest in something better, but for now I'm just having fun and getting a good workout doing 20-30 mile rides around my house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
    I have an app called KOMOOT that I've used to plan rides, but I haven't actually used it on my phone while riding. It might do what you need LB.

    I get all the data that I need with a cheap wired Cateye computer. If I was training for racing or a big tour I would definitely invest in something better, but for now I'm just having fun and getting a good workout doing 20-30 mile rides around my house.
    I can't bring myself to mount my phone to my bike. I've already crashed the roadie once this year and I'm super sketched out about mounting it to the mountain bike for obvious reasons haha.

    Can't wait until I can afford a wahoo with built in gps. Right now I'm using the element mini and it gets the job done for now as it connects via bt to my phone to piggyback on the phones gps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I can't bring myself to mount my phone to my bike. I've already crashed the roadie once this year and I'm super sketched out about mounting it to the mountain bike for obvious reasons haha.

    Can't wait until I can afford a wahoo with built in gps. Right now I'm using the element mini and it gets the job done for now as it connects via bt to my phone to piggyback on the phones gps.
    Quad Lock mount has been fantastic.
    I have one on each bike including the 790. I give this product my utmost endorsement.

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    If someone can fix a broken micro usb connector they can have my Garmin 520 for short money - one of the prongs on the male piece that goes into the female micro usb cable has broken off. Can send photos later. It is an excellent unit and would love to pass it forward if it can be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Quad Lock mount has been fantastic.
    I have one on each bike including the 790. I give this product my utmost endorsement.
    I care more about the impact when I crash haha.

    I'm super tempted to throw in the weight weenie argument, but I really don't care that much.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    I can't get my head around the cycling weight weenie thing. Is a combined 215 pound system going to be that much faster than a 220 pound one?

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petorius View Post
    I can't get my head around the cycling weight weenie thing. Is a combined 215 pound system going to be that much faster than a 220 pound one?
    http://www.americanroadcycling.org/t...alculator.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petorius View Post
    I can't get my head around the cycling weight weenie thing. Is a combined 215 pound system going to be that much faster than a 220 pound one?
    Depends what level you are riding at.

    Power to Weight (Watt/Kg) are king when it comes to going up hill.

    If you weigh 70kg and can do 20 minutes @ 300 watts, your W/Kg for 20 minutes is 4.28
    If you weigh 73kg, you need to do 313 watts to match the W/Kg

    That's 4.3% more work to stick with the lighter dude.

    Lets also consider the human body. You have a functional threshold of power output. Lets consider it as the limit your blood can bring oxygen to your muscles. At some level of output, you cannot get enough oxygen to your muscles. You can operate incredibly close to this threshold for a long period of time. Its excruciating, but you can keep on pedaling. If you go over it even a smidge, you explode. Fast. So going 4.3% faster just isn't possible when you're at the limit.

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    So. I went full ****** and joined a cyclocross team for a race series in CT this year. I have my eyes on a 2016 felt f65x that is in a good price range/size/proximity.

    I'm seeing generally quite positive reviews of this bike online, but there are only a few of them. Anyone have any info I'm missing? Team perks include a full bike tune up and a fitting, so any tweaks or basics I'm not really concerned about.

    I think eventually I would like to swap it to a 1x system but for now, and if I can control my impulses, I'll ride it as is this season.

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    So. I went full ****** and joined a cyclocross team for a race series in CT this year.
    Awesome! Good luck with your racing and please let us know how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    This was a Top Fan tip. Awesome, exactly what I was looking for.

    I had a Quad Lock case for my last phone, but didn't get another one when I got my current model. They Delta mount is pretty nice, but it isn't as nice as the Quad Lock. One of the nicest things about Quad Lock is included with the case is a transparent cover that goes over the screen which you only need to have installed when you're riding; unlike OtterBox/Lifeproof options where they are integrated with the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
    Awesome! Good luck with your racing and please let us know how it goes.
    I fully expect to be DFL all season, but this is the first cardio based sport I've been really excited about in a long time. I've been doing Crossfit for 6 years, so my cardio is limited to like 15 minutes at 100% effort. this is going to be a big, slow, change for me, but i'm very excited.

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    Cyclocross racing is incredibly fun. Cool thing is that New England has produced the absolute best US riders, so the big races are of a similar talent pool as the national championships. Definitely worth sticking around the big event to watch the pros.

    Bike looks great! Get a spare derailleur hanger and wash it after every race or muddy ride. Only bummer is that cat 4/5 cross is usually at the absolute ass crack of dawn.

    Here are the ones you should try not to miss - in order of awesomeness.

    -Ice Weasels (not a sanctioned race, more of a keg party at the end of the year)
    -Gloucester - sign up immediately, it sells out
    -Orchard Cross
    -Night Weasels
    -Northampton
    -Minuteman CX (haven't done it, heard great things)
    -NBX

    Other fun ones are White Park, Sucker Brook, Shedd Park, Really Rad, Midnight Ride (same course as Night Weasels), Secret Squirrel

    You can skip Fruitlands, KMC (unless they change venue) and Supercross (unless they change venue)

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Also, for anyone like me who doesn’t actually ride their bicycles, check out the ice weasels race on YouTube, lots of entertainment, would love to go just to heckle.

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    I rode the first ice weasels, at the time called the scrub zone nationals.
    Some weird shit happened with wife swapping and old friends getting torn apart and that’s why it’s separated now.
    Either way, river point is a fun spot to have a cross race.
    The only thing that really sucked about it is being gridded at the very back, there was NO chance of working your way through the pack (of 150+) to get up to have a shot at anything. Unless you were some sort of sandbagging hero that raced well below your level.

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    Anyone try any of the saddles from ISM? I'm currently rocking an ERGO The Seat. This is it for those that haven't seen one. So far for me this is the best seat for me out of the 6 or 7 I've tried. I've gone from a typical seat to a padded comfort seat, to a time trial type seat and with a padded cover on each to see it that worked. Most "normal" seats my right foot goes numb after about 15-20min. With my current seat this is not an issue anymore. It does have one issue for me. With no nose at all on it I'm often readjusting back onto the saddle. Not a huge deal on the road but super annoying if I'm riding indoors to the point I haven't been on my trainer in a few years. I think I would like a little more nose on it.

    Back to the question at hand. Does any have or had one of the ISM saddles? If you do have one would you be ok with a short fat guy trying it out? I really don't want to drop 200+ on a seat I can't even sit on before I buy it. According to their website there are no dealers all that close to me.

    My rides aren't all that long. Generally under 20miles.

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