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    I need some parts fitment decoding assistance.

    My new-to-me Felt f65x CX bike has a fairly unique Bottom Bracket (BB386). There isn't a ton of concrete information out there on it, just a lot of xyz "should fit fine." I don't like spending money on "should."

    End goal is a 1x setup. I've considered using one of the wolf tooth components asymmetrical chain rings and keeping the cranks, but its a 5x110 pattern and Wolf doesn't appear to make their asymmetrical rings in that pattern.

    This means i'm now looking for a 1x crankset. It is my understanding that the BB386 basically means an 86mm width (pressfit bearings in a wider frame shell) and 30mm spindle. Some people say older BB30 cranks will not work, but newer ones may. In theory anything that works with externally threaded cups (which generally measure 86mm once installed) and a 30mm spindle, or spacers to neck down to 24, should also work.

    Has anyone actually installed a 1x crank in a bb386, and if so, which crank? and of course, budget build, so...

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    I'm thinking this might be a good fit for me. If you aren't on the facespace it's a:
    2008 Specialized Tarmac Expert, all Ultegra components, Ksyrium SL Wheelset 58cm $700
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    I'm concerned with spending $700 on a 10 year old bike, but it's probably way ahead of my trek 1000. I don't know if it's worth just buying something more entry level thats new for a few hundred more. Ideally I would like something with 1x11 with disk brakes, but having never ridden one, i don't really know.
    You're welcome to come and try out my BMC, it has all of the features you're looking for and should fit you. It's a 56, which I thought was a size too small, but my LBS made some tweaks and it's actually pretty much perfect. I have SPD's, if you run something different you can bring shoes and pedals over and take it for a rip.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by iTGbuDeeV View Post
    I need some parts fitment decoding assistance.

    My new-to-me Felt f65x CX bike has a fairly unique Bottom Bracket (BB386). There isn't a ton of concrete information out there on it, just a lot of xyz "should fit fine." I don't like spending money on "should."

    End goal is a 1x setup. I've considered using one of the wolf tooth components asymmetrical chain rings and keeping the cranks, but its a 5x110 pattern and Wolf doesn't appear to make their asymmetrical rings in that pattern.

    This means i'm now looking for a 1x crankset. It is my understanding that the BB386 basically means an 86mm width (pressfit bearings in a wider frame shell) and 30mm spindle. Some people say older BB30 cranks will not work, but newer ones may. In theory anything that works with externally threaded cups (which generally measure 86mm once installed) and a 30mm spindle, or spacers to neck down to 24, should also work.

    Has anyone actually installed a 1x crank in a bb386, and if so, which crank? and of course, budget build, so...
    I can't answer your BB question. What I can say is that 5x110 bcd is super common. Just buy one of these.

    https://www.competitivecyclist.com/s...bcd-chain-ring

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    Damn, i was hoping you'd know about this one Jay haha.

    I can pretty easily source a single chainring, but wouldn't that negatively affect chain line? That was why I was looking at the wolf asymmetrical ones, it mounts to the outside of the spider, but basically has a negative offset and places the teeth inboard of the large ring position.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by iTGbuDeeV View Post
    Damn, i was hoping you'd know about this one Jay haha.

    I can pretty easily source a single chainring, but wouldn't that negatively affect chain line? That was why I was looking at the wolf asymmetrical ones, it mounts to the outside of the spider, but basically has a negative offset and places the teeth inboard of the large ring position.
    I think that’s exactly what the x-sync does too. My first bike was a 2013 on BB30 standard, so I don’t know much about anything prior to that.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by iTGbuDeeV View Post
    I need some parts fitment decoding assistance.

    My new-to-me Felt f65x CX bike has a fairly unique Bottom Bracket (BB386). There isn't a ton of concrete information out there on it, just a lot of xyz "should fit fine." I don't like spending money on "should."

    End goal is a 1x setup. I've considered using one of the wolf tooth components asymmetrical chain rings and keeping the cranks, but its a 5x110 pattern and Wolf doesn't appear to make their asymmetrical rings in that pattern.

    This means i'm now looking for a 1x crankset. It is my understanding that the BB386 basically means an 86mm width (pressfit bearings in a wider frame shell) and 30mm spindle. Some people say older BB30 cranks will not work, but newer ones may. In theory anything that works with externally threaded cups (which generally measure 86mm once installed) and a 30mm spindle, or spacers to neck down to 24, should also work.

    Has anyone actually installed a 1x crank in a bb386, and if so, which crank? and of course, budget build, so...
    BB386 is the FSA bottom bracket / crank standard but luckily not a frame standard. Replace your BB if you want a different crank.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by iTGbuDeeV View Post
    Damn, i was hoping you'd know about this one Jay haha.

    I can pretty easily source a single chainring, but wouldn't that negatively affect chain line? That was why I was looking at the wolf asymmetrical ones, it mounts to the outside of the spider, but basically has a negative offset and places the teeth inboard of the large ring position.
    Don’t worry about a few mm of chainline.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimedog View Post
    BB386 is the FSA bottom bracket / crank standard but luckily not a frame standard. Replace your BB if you want a different crank.
    What other Press fit BB's fit? i know the shell is 46mm

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by iTGbuDeeV View Post
    What other Press fit BB's fit? i know the shell is 46mm
    Maybe try this. I discovered these existed when I was dealing with bottom bracket creak with my bb30 setup.

    Wheels Mfg 386EVO to Shimano Bottom Bracket Black, One Size https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BFK1YZ9..._EdisDbT4XXQRS

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    Quote Originally Posted by iTGbuDeeV View Post
    What other Press fit BB's fit? i know the shell is 46mm
    Everybody, I believe it's just a PF30 shell. The only difference with the FSA BB is that it's wider than normal. The thread together BB's that csmutty linked are the best but they aren't cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
    Your Trek vs a modern wonderbike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=facmiPgeMNM

    I can't help with the new vs 10 yr old bike decision other than to suggest that you ride both then decide.
    After watching that, now more than ever do I want something new. So who's got suggestions? I'm going to buy something new.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    After watching that, now more than ever do I want something new. So who's got suggestions? I'm going to buy something new.
    What's your budget and what size bike do you think you need?

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    Get some sort of gravelly somethingorother, that way you can put smaller tires on if you’re gonna go fast on the road only, and run something with more volume if you want to go anywhere.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    What's your budget and what size bike do you think you need?
    I'm 6'1" on a trek 58, but it's tight (the seat post is an inch above max and the seat is all the way back) so depending on manufacture 58-60. Budget is flexible, but I would realistically not like to spend more than $1500. It's hard for me to judge at this point whats worth extra money.If there was some really good reason to spend more I could swing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Get some sort of gravelly somethingorother, that way you can put smaller tires on if you’re gonna go fast on the road only, and run something with more volume if you want to go anywhere.
    I'm not against the idea, but don't know where to start.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    I'm 6'1" on a trek 58, but it's tight (the seat post is an inch above max and the seat is all the way back) so depending on manufacture 58-60. Budget is flexible, but I would realistically not like to spend more than $1500. It's hard for me to judge at this point whats worth extra money.If there was some really good reason to spend more I could swing it.


    I'm not against the idea, but don't know where to start.
    https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...alr-5/p/24164/

    https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...-disc/p/27889/

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    Specialized Diverge E5 Comp ($1900)
    Cannondale Topstone 105 ($1800)

    I was able to get my BMC RoadMachine X for $2070 with a 10% discount. I know I’m stretching your budget, but once you hop on one of these bikes, you won’t want to ride lesser components. $1500 or less puts you in lesser component range, go a bit north and and your basket of goods improves significantly.

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    That crocket checks the boxes for me. Assuming that I take those gravel tires off and just use it for pavement, what am I giving up compared to a regular/ touring road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    Specialized Diverge E5 Comp ($1900)
    Cannondale Topstone 105 ($1800)

    I was able to get my BMC RoadMachine X for $2070 with a 10% discount. I know I’m stretching your budget, but once you hop on one of these bikes, you won’t want to ride lesser components. $1500 or less puts you in lesser component range, go a bit north and and your basket of goods improves significantly.
    I understand that a nice group set is a good thing, but I’m not sure how much it will matter to me. My bike barley shifts at this point so anything that shifts when I ask is going to be great. Maybe I’m not understanding how nice that good stuff is.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    This pretty much nails it JC.


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    https://www.raleighusa.com/willard3

    All the modern appointments and clearances, stout as fuck for a sizable human, good mechanical disc brakes, and within budget.
    I’m almost certain they’re only a mail order company now. If you want to see the comparable version that’s a few years old, swing by and check out mama’s whip.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    After watching that, now more than ever do I want something new. So who's got suggestions? I'm going to buy something new.
    That was probably a $10k bike that they compared to the Trek in that video. You're not going to find anything approaching it for $1500.

    If you expect that you'll be only riding on the road I'd suggest that you get an actual road bike instead of a gravel bike. It should be lighter and faster. Why get a jeep if you never go offroad?

    I found a carbon fiber Bianchi with full Shimano 105 components and hydraulic disks for $1800 at this time last year. Bianchi was clearing them out. List price was $2700. It was a little over my budget but it was too good a deal to pass up. I also found a leftover Cannondale aluminum synapse 105 disk for my wife for $900.

    If you start hitting the local bike shops you might find a similar clearance or leftover deal. You might also get to ride some bikes to check the fit and see which shifters and brakes you prefer.

    Edit: Here's another good GCN video that compares a mid-level road bike against a super bike. https://youtu.be/3HmVQCAjBE0
    You can mail order that mid level bike with disk brakes for $1700. Canyon Endurace

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    Do we like 1x drivetrains for primarily road use? Shouldn't we be after a closer ratio 2x setup for this kind of use.

    I'll say again, I'm delighted with the Felt I bought. 105 bits. Disk brakes. Relaxed ergos. Relatively reasonable price tag. Space for up to like 38mm tires.. yet rides great on 25mm slicks. I've done 60 mile days on it pretty much out of the box. Issues I've had include a broken carbon seat post when the bike fell over at a rest stop and I have been told I could deal with a longer stem.. I arguably could have gone with a larger frame. I've ridden friends' much more expensive full-carbon road bikes with superior group-sets and I'd rather have my "SUV" than their "sports-car".

    Biggest thing for me regarding newer drivetrains vs the old wreck I was riding is how easy it is to shift when you dun fucked up and find yourself 1/3rd of the way up a climb in waaaaay too high a gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
    Why get a jeep if you never go offroad?
    The relaxed ergos alone got my attention. Not everyone wants their nuts above their chin for rec-riding.
    It's like sport-touring on an adventure motorcycle. If its wrong, I don't want to be right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
    Why get a jeep if you never go offroad?
    Lol, ask 100% of Jeep owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    I'm not against the idea, but don't know where to start.
    I went through the value gravel bike search recently. I came up with the Cannondale Topstone 105 vs Canyon Grail AL for the best value buy under 2K. The Grail is spec'd slightly better but I don't fully trust mail-order companies and I was able to get the Topstone at REI (test ride + 10% dividend). PM me if you have any questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    The relaxed ergos alone got my attention. Not everyone wants their nuts above their chin for rec-riding.
    It's like sport-touring on an adventure motorcycle. If its wrong, I don't want to be right!
    That sounds like a great bike to me Bubs. "Endurance" style roadbikes like mine have similar ergos if you don't want a full-on road race bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    I understand that a nice group set is a good thing, but I’m not sure how much it will matter to me. My bike barley shifts at this point so anything that shifts when I ask is going to be great. Maybe I’m not understanding how nice that good stuff is.
    I suppose it's one of those things where if you haven't sampled it, it isn't a huge deal. The bikes I was interested in were at a similar price point you're shopping. I rode a Shimano 105 equipped bike directly after riding a Shimano Tiagra equipped bike, the difference was striking. In SRAM world the comparable is Rival and Apex, Rival being the nicer of the two. For a marginally higher cost (~$2k bike) you get significantly better components.

    I actually have a friend's Trek cross bike in my barn right now, its equipped with Shimano Tiagra. You can swing buy and ride both a lower groupset and the higher spec'd SRAM Rival on my BMC if you'd like.

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