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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.


    So many things changed all at once when I got a new bike that it's hard to figure out what made a difference where. Having tubeless and cush core allowed lower tire pressures and insane grip that I would have never thought possible. But having a rear shock, going from 26" to 29", and having a dropper all could play their part in the change.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    this TJ is the same as Colin's. but with the addition of the dropper and a set of studs. I think he'll be looking for 1200ish, but I'm not totally certain on that.

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    A "dropper" is on my wish list. Honestly mostly for the bling factor as I have no idea how to use it! But.. you know.

    I also went from a 26" to the 27.5" fattie-patty tires. Trip is, as smuttsy says, absurdly better.
    The front shock is also a pleasant surprise over the ~15 year old entry level one I had before. Much more plush. Nice little lockout switch too which I like for climbs and road sections.

    Honestly the stupid fat bars they put on modern MTBs is probably the change I like the most. Stupid little things. Although I'm sure the geometry of the whole stack is just different. Wider bars like this probably wouldn't work the same way on the ye' ol' shitbox.

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    Lowest cost is probably going to be the Marin Pine Mountain 1. Have seen as low as $800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    So many things changed all at once when I got a new bike that it's hard to figure out what made a difference where. Having tubeless and cush core allowed lower tire pressures and insane grip that I would have never thought possible. But having a rear shock, going from 26" to 29", and having a dropper all could play their part in the change.
    If I remember right, you were on an older 26 bike, right? Probably the biggest change above all of that was the geometry.
    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Honestly the stupid fat bars they put on modern MTBs is probably the change I like the most. Stupid little things. Although I'm sure the geometry of the whole stack is just different. Wider bars like this probably wouldn't work the same way on the ye' ol' shitbox.
    The long stem/narrow width bar setup that old MTB's had feels insane to ride now. I can't believe I ever enjoyed it
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    Not sure what to get but I don't want to spend too much. I would be ok with used but my towering height of 5'6 is making it a bit difficult to go the used route at the moment.
    I feel like you'd get a great deal on the used route because of that, as long as you're not in a super hurry. The bikes on either end of the size spectrum don't seem to sell nearly as quick.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Went out to Foxboro with a buddy yesterday evening, that's a pretty nice place to ride. Lots of fun terrain out there, will definitely go back for another weekend ride. I had an oops and bent the shit out of my cassette, ripping down a a fast section which transitioned into a super steep, rocky climb very quickly. I got caught in the wrong gear and tried to downshift under max power. I was able to bend it back enough that I could shift through it, but the 4th and 5th cogs were unusable. That made for some interesting riding the rest of the afternoon.

    So a couple of things I'm going to do. First is cut down the absurdly wide (800 mm) handlebars. They're just too damn wide for tight single track. I'm going to start with 2" and go from there. Second is its time to upgrade my pedal/shoe game. I've been riding the Shimano M520 SPD's and they really suck for tight technical stuff. Fine when I'm pedaling, but if I stall and fail to clean a section its damn near impossible to get started again. Tough part is getting clipped in, and the pedals are way too small and if I don't get clipped immediately my feet slip off, there's no in between. I'm going to pick up a pair of Five Ten Hellcats and a set of Crank Bros Mallet E's.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Back off the tension screw. That’ll make it easier to get both in and out, and it’s free.

    I can fully endorse getting a pair of mtb shoes that have a sticky rubbery bottom. I’m currently on my second set of pearl izumi x-project somethingorothers and having some rubber, vs the old timey plastic bottom/tread is really a game changer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Back off the tension screw. That’ll make it easier to get both in and out, and it’s free.

    I can fully endorse getting a pair of mtb shoes that have a sticky rubbery bottom. I’m currently on my second set of pearl izumi x-project somethingorothers and having some rubber, vs the old timey plastic bottom/tread is really a game changer.
    It's not so much trouble getting clipped in as it is landing my foot on the pedal in the right spot to locate the clip quickly. The shape of my current pedal doesn't lend itself to mashing if I'm not clipped, my foot just slips off, its basically the size of an egg beater. My shoes also have quite a bit to do with that (hard plastic sole with no tread.) I want something with a bit of a platform to it so when I'm in some nasty stuff I can still mash even if I don't land my foot in the right spot to clip.

    This really doesn't hurt my feelings too bad. When I started riding I bought cheap shoes and cheap pedals that I could use on both road and MTB. I'm riding a lot more now and don't mind spending a few bucks to get into some activity specific gear.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Sounds like you bent your derailleur and/or the derailleur hanger. If you fall over, you usually bend just the hanger. If your cassette eats the derailleur, a lot of the time you bend both. Take them off and straighten them out to the best of your ability - I know you won't have a problem with that.

    For CX races this is a very common mechanical issue, so people bring spare derailleur hangers to races. Not a usually a thing to carry for woods riding, but if you have a mega seat bag it could come in handy. Its also very convenient to have one of these tools at home, especially as you start to collect more and more bikes https://www.parktool.com/product/der...-gauge-dag-2-2

    Regarding pedals: I like my crank brother Candy's, but the market is just about 50/50 split between them and the spd's you have. Clipping in quickly is a skill you get better at over time, your pedals may be perfectly fine for it. I like the crank brothers not because of their platform size, but because the rotating system is "self clearing" meaning there is a technique to roll your foot in to it even if it is all gunked up with mud and dirt. The Candy's are great, but for once I'm going to suggest not spending money - and if you do, I would just go for the Candy's over the mallets. Skip the Candy 1's and go for the 3's.

    I'm guessing you have bigger feet than me, but I just got a new set of MTB shoes and have an extra pair of 43.5 mtb shoes. One pair is black Specialized Experts the other are Red S-works 6. Would sell either for very short money, but need to keep one as a back-up.

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    I did the SPD thing on MTB for a couple years. Thought I loved it. Switched back one day and realized I thought wrong. It was annoying to clip back in quickly, and fear of falling over clipped in was causing me to slightly hold back on more challenging stuff.

    Years ago I bought a set of dedicated MTB flats just because I had stopped wearing sneakers in general so it made sense. I didn't really think they'd be any different. I was very wrong. The stiff sole makes it so much better. I've got a set of 5.10's right now and understand what people mean when they say 'too sticky'. They hold great, and I didn't realize how much I was used to letting my foot move around on the pedal casually. Now I have to consciously lift my foot to re-position. Takes a bit of getting used to, but I'm probably unlearning some bad habits.

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    Thanks for the offer on the shoes, Jay, but that's a few sizes too small.

    I'm not sure I don't have damage to the derailleur and/or hanger, but the cassette was visibly damaged. 4th and 5th cog were bent pretty badly. Once I was able to straighten them I had no issues shifting in cogs 1-3, 6-11. No issues with engagement, etc, felt normal. I couldn't get the 4th and 5th cog to straighten all the way, so the chain would skip teeth in those gears. I'm picking up a new cassette from the LBS this evening, they have an 11-42 XT in stock. I'll check out the rest of the bits when I install it.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Crazy, I've never seen an actual cassette bend. Meanwhile derailleurs and hangers are basically made of tinfoil.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    I'll snap a picture when I pull it off. Big fellas tend to break things in more creative ways.

    RE: the whole pedal things, I'm addressing a problem that's really just a problem 5% of the time. Like, when I'm in a rock garden and the trail is off camber and the natives are throwing spears and such. Most of the time I can get on and clipped in pretty easily/quickly, sometimes I'm just in a tight spot and I need to get to work. The other problem is the shoes I've been wearing. $44 Amazon special, hard plastic soles. When things get tough and I have to hike out, its sketchy as hell.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post

    RE: the whole pedal things, I'm addressing a problem that's really just a problem 5% of the time. Like, when I'm in a rock garden and the trail is off camber and the natives are throwing spears and such. Most of the time I can get on and clipped in pretty easily/quickly, sometimes I'm just in a tight spot and I need to get to work. The other problem is the shoes I've been wearing. $44 Amazon special, hard plastic soles. When things get tough and I have to hike out, its sketchy as hell.
    I completely understand the predicament. I guess there really isn't a downside to bigger pedals other than weight. Very easy to argue that weight doesn't matter at all, so take my opinion as just that...an opinion.

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    I have the one sided version (funny, the one sided version is called the double shot) on my commuter so I can wear any shoes. Great pedals. Most crank brothers products can be easily serviced with the same $20 kit. The exception is the lowest end versions, which is why I suggested skipping the Candy 1's in favor of the 3's. Looks like it could be similar on the lower end models of their other versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    I completely understand the predicament. I guess there really isn't a downside to bigger pedals other than weight. Very easy to argue that weight doesn't matter at all, so take my opinion as just that...an opinion.
    Right on. I suppose one could argue a smaller pedal = less pedal strikes in the tight stuff as well. I ended up ordering the Mallet E's, I feel like the combo of a studded semi-platform pedal I can clip into + clipless shoes with a rubber sole are the correct combo for me, for now. I spent a silly amount of money on the Five Tens and I'm not sorry.

    I've decided I'm not playing the weight game...at least not over a few grams on my MTB. I still have over 9,000 grams to loose on my waistline so....yeah.

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    I have a set of SPD type one-sided Shimano pedals. (One side => clips, other => serrated flats.) I hate them. Sneakers or riding shoes, the pedals are ALWAYS wrong-way up for what I want.
    I revise my previous statement, I want the $170 Mallet E with the newer flat design. Verynice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    How do those fit? I am in need of new shoes and they have a sale price on some styles of that shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    How do those fit? I am in need of new shoes and they have a sale price on some styles of that shoe.
    Not sure yet, just ordered them today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I have a set of SPD type one-sided Shimano pedals. (One side => clips, other => serrated flats.) I hate them. Sneakers or riding shoes, the pedals are ALWAYS wrong-way up for what I want.
    I tried a set and had the same experience. They were like a USB plug.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Want to ship my daughter’s bike out to her: she’s in college out west.

    Would a LBS have a box I could buy or beg? I’m assuming Fedex Ground would be the best choice?

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    www.bikeflights.com

    Bike shop will package it for you for a fee which I believe is ~$50 - $100 plus shipping. Landry's Boston will do it. They will also have a box for you if you want to DIY.

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    Yup. What Jay said. I shipped my sister's bike at the LBS. They did all disassembly and packaging as well as shipping costs for $100 from CT to South Carolina.

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    Going to be at Little Lake Sunapee in New London this weekend, can't go north without riding some gravel. Anyone have a solid route up that way? Have found much on Ride.

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    Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.-2bc37811-06d4-444b-9367-2930249ed794

    Had a buddy come by and show me the ropes a bit tonight. Swapped out the bent cassette, which turned out to be 11-42 rather than the 11-46 listed on the spec sheet, for an XT 11-46. Have a real granny gear now. Adjusted the brakes which were both dragging like hell. Trued the wheels which were a bit wonky and had some loose spokes. Shortened the bars by 2”. Waiting for a few parts to roll in, going from an 80mm stem to 40mm, and new pedals. I’ve been planning on going to a dropper post, but I’m going to do a Thudbuster LT post instead. I’ll be camped out a Village Park next week after work if anyone wants to play.

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