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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Getting it into my head that I'm not constantly trying to go faster is the most 2020 cycling thing I can think of.
    *reads this with confusion while putting on aero socks in hopes to gain a couple of seconds on a 3 mile segment*

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by eboos View Post
    *reads this with confusion while putting on aero socks in hopes to gain a couple of seconds on a 3 mile segment*
    Yeah I can't get on the slow train yet either, but I'm beginning to understand it after a couple slow leisurely rides.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    I didn’t say anything about trying to go slow. I just said I’m not trying to go fast (all the time).

    With regard to the road+ stuff, what little speed is lost on the pavement is regained in the dirt, and certainly the smiles per mile ratio is improved.
    I’m not selling my carbon 700c wheels...yet.



    Also: I hacked a mtb der onto my force shifters, so now I can run any 11spd cassette I want, up to 50t (or 52 if it exists). This will come in handy for any gravel touring that may materialize...like the vt super8 I didn’t get to do this year.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    like the vt super8 I didn’t get to do this year.
    What's that?

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    https://bikepacking.com/event/vermont-super-8-2020/


    I had planned to just ride the southern loop for fucks, but I can’t exactly break away for 4-7 days all willynilly right now with a messed up school schedule for the little.
    I have no inclinations towards a “grand depart” for any of the routes on my list...to include the Adirondack trail loop as well.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    I never understood the need to go fast on training rides, but I've always really been a racer and had a place to do that.
    I absolutely understand the need to pedal hard. But pedaling hard with slow equipment means I can pedal hard for longer because I run out of road slower.
    But its all relative and having a power meter helps. Watts are watts and allows you to completely remove speed from the equation. When I have downhill sections into corners I actually ride the brakes during training rides to limit the time I don't need to pedal and increase the time I can put power down.

    My regimen has always been to train hard on a slow bike, then race fast on a fast bike. Since I'm not racing, I just ride hard on a slow bike.
    Again, its all relative. My "slow" bike is an S-works tarmac. But its got aluminum wheels with 28c training tires on it.

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    I can't justify a power meter yet because of all the different disciplines and seasons of riding. Do I get one for the mountain bike or road bike or tri/tt bike?!

    It's a lot of money to get one for everything.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I can't justify a power meter yet because of all the different disciplines and seasons of riding. Do I get one for the mountain bike or road bike or tri/tt bike?!

    It's a lot of money to get one for everything.
    How much do you like your pedals? If you really wanted one PM to do it all, you could get Favero Assioma pedals or the Garmin Vectors and just swap them bike to bike -- but then you need shoes that work with whatever cleats their pedal supports (Look Keo?).

    I am obviously a rank amateur but I don't see the value of a power meter on an MTB. I got a crank arm PM for my gravel bike for $300, which was nice because it lets me stick with SPD pedals and not need to buy new shoes. If you're patient, you can find used crank arm PMs in the low $200s on FB Marketplace.

    If you use the same pedals on the road bike as you do on the tri/TT bike, then a crank arm PM would work... right?

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    How much do you like your pedals? If you really wanted one PM to do it all, you could get Favero Assioma pedals or the Garmin Vectors and just swap them bike to bike -- but then you need shoes that work with whatever cleats their pedal supports (Look Keo?).

    I am obviously a rank amateur but I don't see the value of a power meter on an MTB. I got a crank arm PM for my gravel bike for $300, which was nice because it lets me stick with SPD pedals and not need to buy new shoes. If you're patient, you can find used crank arm PMs in the low $200s on FB Marketplace.

    If you use the same pedals on the road bike as you do on the tri/TT bike, then a crank arm PM would work... right?
    I use road pedals on the road bike and SPD pedals on the mountain bike. You lose efficiency if you use SPD pedals on the road.

    The issue with crank based power meters is most of the ones at the price point you are discussing are one sided. I would want to be able to see power from both sides to make sure the distribution is equal. There was a company that came out with a pedal based SPD power meter, but I am questioning longevity of the unit with all the abuse SPD pedals take in the woods.

    At the end of the day none of the bikes would be able to share a power meter. Each of them gets used regularly and swapping would be too time intensive to actually happen most of the time.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    The answer is yes, you put power on all your bikes.

    But no, its kind of silly. A power meter is only good if you are going to use it. Its tough to understand how to use it without some time investment, a training plan, etc. Smutty, I feel like you are riding enough that you could benefit from having one....but again, without an effort to learn it will be useless. If you ever consider getting a coach or doing something like trainer road, it is absolutely worth it for the power meter.

    Mountain bike is pretty silly to put one on, but I'm also a silly person. The only reason you need one on EVERY bike is if you want to really look into the data and map your fitness over time. Apps do you let make estimates in lieu of power data for this exact purpose.

    Changing cranks is pretty quick these days, just get a TT bike with the same spec and swap as needed. Or....get a crank based on one bike and something cheaper on the other. I would avoid pedals...its been awhile, but the Garmin Vectors needed constant $200 rebuilds every season. The shortest a quarq has last me is 3 years. I have one that has 5 years on it, rode it today.

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    Amazon has a Prime Day sale with the Garmin Edge 1030 for sale for $299!!! Just in case it's time to upgrade...

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    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    Amazon has a Prime Day sale with the Garmin Edge 1030 for sale for $299!!! Just in case it's time to upgrade...
    I'll keep my wahoo for the next ransomware attack.

    In all seriousness that's a good deal.

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    If you can spare 4 minutes check out this Remy Metailler video. The bigger the screen the better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcV_5Mch-U

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    I’m not using them, so I will launch them into the world of commerce shortly, but didn’t even know what to call them. The pedals seem to have a Nashbar logo on them. The shoes are size 44 which is a size 10 or so but I take 46/47.
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    I set out to skip the hipsterfest that is the nutmeg nor’easter and (since there weren’t any endurance events this year) smash the 2 day, 95 mile loop in one long day of gravel and elevation.

    All was going swimmingly except one hike-a-bike up some ravine that took a lot of energy until I blew my derailleur apart at mile 50ish. I managed to find 1 pulley in the leaves, and mcguyver the thing together in such a way that I at least had 3 gears to use if I didn’t pedal hard enough to snap the sram cage lock back into tension, and limped my way 15 miles back to the car.
    Getting out without getting stranded feels like an accomplishment, along with a rare 4500’ of climbing on the day...as my rides are normally pretty flat.


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    Nice! That's a lot of elevation! Do you have the route anywhere?

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    It’s on rwgps. I’ll be going back to do it again. It might have to wait until the spring, unless we get a random day where I don’t have to dad and it’s over 60°.
    I clearly have unfinished business.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    It’s on rwgps. I’ll be going back to do it again. It might have to wait until the spring, unless we get a random day where I don’t have to dad and it’s over 60°.
    I clearly have unfinished business.
    With the areas you did do... What do you think the minimum tire width would be?

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    Ummm, I ran it on 650b/47mm.
    I’d say that was adequate, for the most part. If I was on 700’s, I’d venture to say 40mm to have some volume. It certainly could be done on smaller, but at the expense of your teeth rattling out of your skull, and maybe a kidney or two.

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    Never broken an xt. I also don’t put my bikes through that. Also, nice rubber.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    I set out to skip the hipsterfest that is the nutmeg nor’easter and (since there weren’t any endurance events this year) smash the 2 day, 95 mile loop in one long day of gravel and elevation.

    All was going swimmingly except one hike-a-bike up some ravine that took a lot of energy until I blew my derailleur apart at mile 50ish. I managed to find 1 pulley in the leaves, and mcguyver the thing together in such a way that I at least had 3 gears to use if I didn’t pedal hard enough to snap the sram cage lock back into tension, and limped my way 15 miles back to the car.
    Getting out without getting stranded feels like an accomplishment, along with a rare 4500’ of climbing on the day...as my rides are normally pretty flat.
    Holy shit. Good job getting home.

    I rode my bike this weekend and it was nice. Haven't been riding much at all lately. Smutty, I can't believe you ran a 50k.

    I was finally able to do 300w for over 20 minutes, which was a HUGE bench mark for me 3 years ago but something I've done with ease the past few years. Mentally tough for that to be a bench mark again.
    FYI: 300w for 20 minutes is really hard for me right now and takes about everything I have. However, after doing that up Bear Notch Road Saturday I kept it going and averaged 278w for over an hour all the way up the Kank. Backing off that smidge and getting just a hair under your threshold makes all the difference.

    Its also why they say your FTP is 95% of your 20 minute power.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    Holy shit. Good job getting home.

    I rode my bike this weekend and it was nice. Haven't been riding much at all lately. Smutty, I can't believe you ran a 50k.

    I was finally able to do 300w for over 20 minutes, which was a HUGE bench mark for me 3 years ago but something I've done with ease the past few years. Mentally tough for that to be a bench mark again.
    FYI: 300w for 20 minutes is really hard for me right now and takes about everything I have. However, after doing that up Bear Notch Road Saturday I kept it going and averaged 278w for over an hour all the way up the Kank. Backing off that smidge and getting just a hair under your threshold makes all the difference.

    Its also why they say your FTP is 95% of your 20 minute power.
    Dude that's no joke. 300w is a ton. W/kg?

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    Holy shit. Good job getting home.

    I rode my bike this weekend and it was nice. Haven't been riding much at all lately. Smutty, I can't believe you ran a 50k.

    I was finally able to do 300w for over 20 minutes, which was a HUGE bench mark for me 3 years ago but something I've done with ease the past few years. Mentally tough for that to be a bench mark again.
    FYI: 300w for 20 minutes is really hard for me right now and takes about everything I have. However, after doing that up Bear Notch Road Saturday I kept it going and averaged 278w for over an hour all the way up the Kank. Backing off that smidge and getting just a hair under your threshold makes all the difference.

    Its also why they say your FTP is 95% of your 20 minute power.
    I did a 299 watt 20 minute and 273 watt hour on a weekly team ride this past summer (https://www.strava.com/activities/3700561119). It was the best I've ridden on the road so far. Definitely in the huge benchmark phase - not even close to the with ease phase yet.

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    Power is alllll relative. Its just as hard now for me to crack 300 as it was for me to crack 250 earlier on. Ready to come play in power land yet, Smutty?

    But that is an absolute smash fest for those kind of numbers in a group ride, unless it was up a mountain! I think I've only ever averaged over 300 for 20 minutes in a crit once.

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    Re: Official non-motorized motorcycle thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    Power is alllll relative. Its just as hard now for me to crack 300 as it was for me to crack 250 earlier on. Ready to come play in power land yet, Smutty?

    But that is an absolute smash fest for those kind of numbers in a group ride, unless it was up a mountain! I think I've only ever averaged over 300 for 20 minutes in a crit once.
    I still can't justify the expense. But I am getting back on zwift pretty soon and will be able to play in power land there for the winter! Hope to build a solid base over the winter. Might try out some trainer road stuff. But will also be focusing on building strength at the gym (and out mtbing).

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