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    install? Its like 6 bolts, get a couple guys to help you lift it
    I think the point is, it's not worth the time, cost and effort only to end up with a slightly quicker slow vehicle.

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    100 extra hp (336) and 100 extra tq (366) for $4k. According to some people's math, racing doesn't make sense. It's all perspective.

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    I considered doing it a few times over the last 14 years that I've owned a 3.4l Tacoma.

    In the end, I put about half of that into making the Miata MUCH quicker instead. I still yearn for 350hp/ftlb (URD Racing mods) in my truck one day. It's already faster than the newer 4.0l and 3.5l in the two newer gen Tacomas stock due to how light it is.

    If I see a 3.4l supercharger come up for sale cheap, I'll do it. I missed out when a dealership was selling a whole boatload of them off for a cool grand each, brand new back in 2005......

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    If Toyota would be kind enough to produce a new x-runner, I'd be first in line for a zero mile x with a brand new trd supercharger and warranty.

    I don't think it's going to happen though.

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    Re: Ordered a new Pickup Truck

    Well, since this Ford thread turned Toyota discussion, might as well put up a Tundra 5.7 vid.


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    Since this thread is already running from the tracks, I looked into a SC package for my Avalanche. For not much more money than the supercharger kit to add to a very stock engine which would turn it up to maybe 400hp, I could buy a built 6.2 to drop in turning over 500hp. So sometimes the SC packages might not be worth the money. But dyno sheets don't tell the story of driveability either. Either of these options though would turn my 4L60E into shrapnel, so I'm stuck with a not so quick slow truck.

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    Re: Ordered a new Pickup Truck

    xrocket is a car dude (now a truck dude) - he don't mind talking engines/platforms

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    Re: Ordered a new Pickup Truck

    If Toyota made a TRD like Ford makes a Raptor, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    Kudos for Ford for making what the people want.

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    Re: Ordered a new Pickup Truck

    The sheer look of this truck is worth the price of admission. Having performance to back up the look adds to the credibility of it. If I had the money I would buy one and pimp it out with more performance tuning much like people unlock bikes with ECU, pipe and air box mods. I'd only get about 10mpg with the thing but If I could afford one I wouldn't look at the mileage as an issue.

    Just walking up to this truck and getting into it will be like Christmas every day of the year. Congrats!!!

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    Re: Ordered a new Pickup Truck

    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    xrocket is a car dude (now a truck dude) - he don't mind talking engines/platforms
    (I had a tuned ecoboost f-150 from 2011-2016 and have an 8.1L 3/4 ton plow truck for the yard now)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatirdr View Post
    The sheer look of this truck is worth the price of admission. Having performance to back up the look adds to the credibility of it. If I had the money I would buy one and pimp it out with more performance tuning much like people unlock bikes with ECU, pipe and air box mods. I'd only get about 10mpg with the thing but If I could afford one I wouldn't look at the mileage as an issue.

    Just walking up to this truck and getting into it will be like Christmas every day of the year. Congrats!!!
    It will be tuned for sure, no sense in getting a turbo if you aren't going to up the boost!!!!

    On my F150, the power was nice from the tune, but unexpectedly, the shifting was MUCH better as well. Stock on that truck I got around 17-18 avg, with the tune it went up to 18-19, then I put 35" tires and it went down to 15. Overall, not bad for a crew cab truck with 400+ hp and over 500 ft/lbs!!!

    I dont expect 10 mpg from the new one at all, but I guess we will see, Im sure those 12 fuel injectors can get hungry. Ill do a tune for sure, the exhaust is true duals already, so I wont mess with that, and intake option are pretty terrible, so intake is a maybe. Thats about it. Ive gone deep down the tuning road before, and it can be a hard road to travel.

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    FIRST DRIVE REVIEW
    2017 Ford F-150 Raptor
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    As it blitzes alongside a railbed slicing through Southern California’s Anza-Borrego Desert, the 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor sashays gently side to side, its wide all-terrain tires tracking the bumps and ruts in the sandy trail. The ventilated seats are set to high, while our hands twitch the wheel back and forth with minor corrections to keep the truck pointed straight. Well, straight-ish. We’re creating quite the dust cloud, but that’s less because of the swinging hips than our proximity to the speed governor. The Raptor doesn’t need to be traveling at triple digits through the desert to amaze, but it certainly helps.


    Good Riddance to the Old School

    For example, its new twin-turbo 3.5-liter V-6 and 10-speed automatic transmission help the Raptor to amaze in a straight line. Its turbochargers whistle more boost (up to 18 psi) into the manifold than do those of the regular F-150’s 3.5-liter EcoBoost mill, which itself has been updated for 2017. Combined with a new aluminum block, upgraded internals, port and direct fuel injection, and a lighter valvetrain, the turbos help this engine crank out 450 horsepower and 510 lb-ft of torque, increases of 75 horses and 40 lb-ft over the standard EcoBoost 3.5, which suddenly seems wimpy in comparison. More important, that’s 39 horses and 76 lb-ft more than the old Raptor’s 6.2-liter V-8, gains that are immediately noticeable. This Raptor feels much quicker than its predecessor, and we expect it’ll reach 60 mph in the low-five-second range.

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    With three overdrive gears, the 10-speed is above all a play for highway fuel economy, but its ratio spread does keep the twin-turbo six in the meat of its powerband, too. This transmission, however, is one of the Raptor’s few weak points, despite the genuine magnesium shift paddles. Even under full throttle, it slurs shifts in Normal mode. For quicker gear swaps, you have to use the mode switch on the steering wheel to toggle the truck into Sport—one of six available settings—at which point those shifts occasionally are rather harsh. And, when cruising, every toe tip into the throttle reminds us what a big number 10 is, as the transmission shuffles down to find the necessary gear. We did find it amusing, though, that with the transfer case in low range, it’s already in fifth gear by 15 mph. A 5 percent reduction in aerodynamic drag helps the transmission elevate the Raptor’s fuel economy from the old truck’s 12 mpg city and 16 mpg highway to 15/18 mpg. The aero improvement is due not only to the new styling but also to automatic grille shutters and the air-smoothing effect of skid plates, which have an environmental benefit beyond simply reducing the incidences of 5W-30 spilling out of rock-pierced oil pans.

    Commutes, Too!

    While a commercially available truck that can repeatedly enter and return from (extremely) low-Earth orbit without undue harm is impressive, the Raptor’s ability to do so is in no way surprising. That’s what it’s engineered to do. What is surprising is how well a vehicle with the suspension necessary to do so performs on pavement. The Raptor’s roll control is simply excellent. Yes, the BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 tires hinder the truck’s paved-road adhesion limits, but its behavior up until those limits is startling. It’s a genuinely composed and comfortable cruiser, and it handles twisty roads far better than a Mustang would handle desert running. Of course, a Mustang doesn’t have 34-inch-tall, reinforced-sidewall KO2s—which, incidentally, are the reason the speed limiter is set so low—mounted to optional beadlock-ready 17-inch wheels. They look awesome.

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    The Dirty Bird

    Through the Anza-Borrego, we hammered the Raptor over a 50-mile route composed of long stretches of washboard chatter bumps and countless larger whoop-de-dos that tossed the Ford into the air. A lesser truck could crawl over this same terrain without much risk. But before you attempted to do so at the speeds the Raptor can achieve, you’d want to start a pool for what would happen first: a pricey Fox damper punching through the hood or the bed, an axle rolling out behind the truck, or the nose sticking a landing and throwing you into an endo. The Raptor just pounds over all of it, its suspension travel of 13.0 inches in front and 13.9 out back ensuring that the driver cries uncle before the truck ever falters. So high is the Raptor’s threshold of abuse that the size of the lump, hole, or other obstacle hardly seems to matter; plow into it, let the suspension soak it up, and carry on.

    To better endure the abuse any self-respecting owner will subject the truck to, the Raptor’s frame is strengthened over the regular F-150’s with additional welds and fortified shock mounts. Its Fox dampers are now 3.0 inches in diameter, a 0.5-inch increase from the old Raptor’s. This allows 44 percent more fluid volume, bolstering heat- and fade-resistance. To enable the Raptor’s surprising on-road aptitude, the shock absorbers are softer in the middle of their travel but stiffen as they near both full compression and full extension—the former to control bottoming out, the latter to manage the suspension’s motion when the truck achieves liftoff.

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    You can turn off the stability control completely. However, excess yaw can couple with unpredictable desert terrain to turn straight-line speed into multiple rollovers and a helicopter ride with no view but the faces of medics leaning over a backboard. Knowing that, we found the Baja driving mode an excellent choice. In this setting, the stability-control calibration is superb, allowing great leeway and stepping in only under extreme circumstances with smooth, subtle interventions. This mode also relaxes the ABS, allowing some lockup to pile sand in front of the tires, long a favored means of stopping in softer terrain.

    Baja mode also tweaks the engine-management program, shutting down fuel flow but keeping the throttle open when the driver jumps off the accelerator. This keeps air flowing through the engine, which in turn keeps the turbos spinning and cuts lag when the driver gets back on the gas. This function is limited to Baja mode because it negatively impacts emissions and fuel economy. But the best thing about Baja mode is how the transmission hangs onto gears to such an extreme degree, keeping engine response piano-wire tight. It’ll hang within just a few hundred rpm of redline for as long as your foot tells it to, urging you to toe a bit deeper, clear those last few revs, and grab the next gear—and then start reaching for the next.

    And drivers will keep reaching again and again. Few vehicles of any kind and at any price—and none near the Ford’s $49,520 base price—offer as many thrills or fulfill their mission as perfectly as the Raptor. Driving this truck off-road and at max attack is as exhilarating an automotive experience as you’ll find.

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    Congrats on the new ride. Personally it's way more than I'd ever need but if I had the money I'd probably end up with one. Got to be a passenger in a stock one that was a few years old (the orange colored one if that helps), taking corners from stopped equaled a kicked out ass end every time. It was a blast.

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    10-speed automatics are crazy to me. My '69 El Camino came built with a PowerGlide, i.e. it had two fucking speeds..

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    High gear and low gear!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryco13 View Post
    Congrats on the new ride. Personally it's way more than I'd ever need but if I had the money I'd probably end up with one. Got to be a passenger in a stock one that was a few years old (the orange colored one if that helps), taking corners from stopped equaled a kicked out ass end every time. It was a blast.
    If i didnt have kids and live down a dirt road, id have a z06!!! This is what works for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrocket21 View Post
    If i didnt have kids and live down a dirt road, id have a z06!!! This is what works for now.
    You know my take, get sleeper z06.

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    I work across the street from a train to truck distribution spot for Ford. Saw several Raptors heading out today. I can only imagine they were ordered trucks, they probably can't stock them on the lots given demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    You know my take, get sleeper z06.
    yeah yeah yeah

    it was an option for a while, but doesnt make for good trips to the dump, home depot runs, or moving my snowmobile around...

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    I dont really get this feature of Baja mode, is it like anti lag?

    More Like Bwajaja Mode!

    You can turn off the stability control completely. However, excess yaw can couple with unpredictable desert terrain to turn straight-line speed into multiple rollovers and a helicopter ride with no view but the faces of medics leaning over a backboard. Knowing that, we found the Baja driving mode an excellent choice. In this setting, the stability-control calibration is superb, allowing great leeway and stepping in only under extreme circumstances with smooth, subtle interventions. This mode also relaxes the ABS, allowing some lockup to pile sand in front of the tires, long a favored means of stopping in softer terrain.

    Baja mode also tweaks the engine-management program, shutting down fuel flow but keeping the throttle open when the driver jumps off the accelerator. This keeps air flowing through the engine, which in turn keeps the turbos spinning and cuts lag when the driver gets back on the gas. This function is limited to Baja mode because it negatively impacts emissions and fuel economy. But the best thing about Baja mode is how the transmission hangs onto gears to such an extreme degree, keeping engine response piano-wire tight. It’ll hang within just a few hundred rpm of redline for as long as your foot tells it to, urging you to toe a bit deeper, clear those last few revs, and grab the next gear—and then start reaching for the next.

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    Guess you get no engine braking in that situation.

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    I didn't read that statement as anti-lag in the traditional sense.

    Seems to be the Raptor's fuel programming keeps the intake butterflies open but cuts fuel and since an engine is nothing more than an air pump, the air that continues flowing through the engine and out of the exhaust is what keeps the turbos spooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    I didn't read that statement as anti-lag in the traditional sense.

    Seems to be the Raptor's fuel programming keeps the intake butterflies open but cuts fuel and since an engine is nothing more than an air pump, the air that continues flowing through the engine and out of the exhaust is what keeps the turbos spooling.
    Yeah, I guess I get that, real antilag dumps more fuel in to spin the turbos hard, I guess this just lets it coast sorta? Must be worse emissions because it just blows through? I dunno, it is odd.

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    Meant to keep the nose from diving in the air...not a statement, a question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    Guess you get no engine braking in that situation.
    I would imagine you still get some since there is no mention of valve timing changes that would eliminate or reduce the compression stroke in the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrocket21 View Post
    Yeah, I guess I get that, real antilag dumps more fuel in to spin the turbos hard, I guess this just lets it coast sorta? Must be worse emissions because it just blows through? I dunno, it is odd.
    From what I understand about anti-lag systems (which isn't a whole lot) there's either an air intake bypass valve that dumps the intake charge into the UP and subsequently across the exhaust turbine. The other method I'm aware of also has a valve which reroutes the exhaust gas into the UP however there's a bunch of fuel management logic that is invovled. Again, very limited understanding but that's what I've come to know about it. I do know there is an extreme amount of heat put into your turbo system which can result in overboost conditions if not controlled well enough.

    In your truck, it seems the work-around is more simple and much less harsh in that the engine is still spinning at whatever RPM while electronics do all the work to cut the fuel but keep the butterfly open which is what produces the anti-lag scenario. I find it to be a very crafty way to overcome mechanical technology.


    I agree engine braking would otherwise remain unaffected.

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