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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Drove a New Ridgeline with a RC51 in the back and it was sagging so bad the headlights were up in the trees....


    Its a Car dont let the bed fool ya.....LOLOLOL

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    I probably would have bought another Silverado, but they don't offer a 1500HD crew cab long bed. You have to go to the 2500 for that configuration. I don't expect to need a crew cab when I replace the Taco, so Chevy will be back in the running.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Couple reasons I went with an Avalanche over the Ridgeline,
    Tow rating, I don't think the RL would have handled my boat that well.
    Sealed trunk, the avy has a nice sealed rear area with built in "boxes" on the sides. I know I could have gotten a cover for the rear of a RL, but the avy also has the midgate pass through which makes for a big bed truck when needed.

    I will say though, that the RL was a better built vehicle.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    And a Avalanche is on the Suburban Frame not a 1500 so thats why its a bit Pricey FYI.............

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    I bought a Silverado 1500 ex-cab "standard" bed (6.5'). In my opinion, the ex-cab is pretty damned roomy. I don't have kids or subject people to the back very often. But I'm stunned at how roomy the cab is on this thing. It's more than just a place to stash shit you don't want stolen from the bed like it was in my old mini ex-cab. It is legitimate passenger seating. All the full-size ex-cabs are like this now. The Toyota, Ram and GM cabs are especially roomy.

    The downside is that despite having a "standard" bed that is only 6.5' long, the wheelbase is enormous; nearly 12'! The turning radius blows and it is a bitch to park. I've always kind of discounted people who claim they need a mini pickup because they live in fairly urban areas and can't park a half ton full-size. But now I get it. Fortunately I usually am in places where space is not a premium. This-at present-is the only strong argument I see for these minis. They are often priced very close to full-sizers and the fuel economy premium is not very significant. Lost tow rating and capacity is though.

    This Honda would need to be rated to tow AT LEAST 5k lbs, get mid-high 20's AVERAGE MPG, and be priced to top out south of $40k. Otherwise.. why bother?!

    This is really Toyota's market to lose right now. Although I hear the newer Colorado is selling very, very well.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pigman View Post
    And a Avalanche is on the Suburban Frame not a 1500 so thats why its a bit Pricey FYI.............
    This seems like splitting hairs. Is the Suburban frame really that different than the 1500?!? Isn't the Suburban just a chopped down 1500 with a full SUV body dropped on it? (And price marked way up!)

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    BUT...big but, its fucking FWD? i can look past the unibody and the even the independent suspension but not the drivetrain.
    Not sure if you mean the new one or the original... but as for the original Ridgeline, these were selling points for me.

    It drove like a car, was "tight"... and handled the basic truck things well.

    The drivetrain was also the best I've ever had. It was Front wheel drive unless the wheels slipped...then could transfer to rear as much as needed.

    And unlike 4wd, it transferred power to the tires that were NOT slipping. No buttons to press (although you could lock up all 4 tires)... just press the gas and the thing just figured out which tire needs power to move you forward. I took mine through huge snow levels with no drama.

    I have a new Tundra now, and except for towing capacity... I'd rather have my 1st gen Ridgeline 95% of the time.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    And didn't we have a thread on here lamenting the loss of the car/pickups like the volkswagon? I know this thing isn't small, but doesn't it fill that lost niche? 90 percent car 10 percent truck sounds pretty useful to me.

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    The rear suspension on the Avy is different than a truck I believe. It is more of a 4 link type suspension. The front weak assed torsion bars in the front are the same though, for my year. The newer ones use coil overs.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    problem with fullsize alternatives is that they aren't much less expensive than having a real truck.

    I'm at a chevy/lexus dealer (weird combo right) and the new Colorado is an awesome small truck. but the factory has their heads so far up their ass with this truck, Inventory has been crap since it was introduced. (could not get a crew cab big bed truck) because they were building work trucks. Also there is no incentives or a good lease to be had on the Colorado. As almost weekly a guy will come in looking for one and end up driving out in a new Silverado. Because for $50-100 less a month on payment he can have a real truck.

    Don't even get me started on the diesel option that you wont see anytime soon... (fuck you VW for diselgate)

    As for the suburban someone mentioned. you don't even want to know what they are selling for these days. its painful.

    back to the ridgeline... I hope for the love of everything that its around 40K but that wont happen, as the oddessy van and pilot are both creeping on 50K these days, So basically your left with a really well built small truck thing, that's cost as much as a real full size truck.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Quote Originally Posted by jhawley View Post
    I'm at a chevy/lexus dealer (weird combo right) and the new Colorado is an awesome small truck. but the factory has their heads so far up their ass with this truck, Inventory has been crap since it was introduced. (could not get a crew cab big bed truck) because they were building work trucks. Also there is no incentives or a good lease to be had on the Colorado. As almost weekly a guy will come in looking for one and end up driving out in a new Silverado. Because for $50-100 less a month on payment he can have a real truck.

    Don't even get me started on the diesel option that you wont see anytime soon... (fuck you VW for diselgate)

    As for the suburban someone mentioned. you don't even want to know what they are selling for these days. its painful.
    This is exactly what I observed when shopping GM recently. My salesman confirmed all of this.
    $50/100 mo buys a decent chunk of fuel right now. Not that the Silverado 1500 mileage is that much worse than the minis these days anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    They claim that it will do most of the things people actually use pickups to do. Most of the pickups I see are hauling air so they're right on that count, anyway.
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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    I really wanted to get a Colorado/Canyon, especially with the diesel. When I was shopping for a truck/SUV a few months ago, I just remember sitting in the highest trim Colorado, then the highest trim Canyon, and thinking "$40k for this?". A similarly priced full size was so much nicer. I just did not want a full size truck. I like the Ridgeline but it doesn't come with a 2 speed transfer case.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    It's a truck for someone who has SOME need for a truck but realizes they don't actually NEED a truck.

    I call my Pathfinder my "truck" because it's built on the Frontier chassis. Same frame, same drivetrain, same capabilities, just has an enclosed caboose.

    Seems like it's more of a truck than this Ridgeline, but you won't see me bashing the Honda. I think Honda found a niche market. People that buy it aren't in the market for a full size or even a half size. They're also not in the market for a mini-van. They're looking for a car that can still handle stuff that the typical person would need to throw in a truck bed. Something in between. Would you rather them buy the biggest pick-up on the market when the biggest thing they're hauling are the occational few sheets of dry wall? No reason for that.

    I don't think it's trying to be a truck. I think it's trying to be a car with ground clearance that can haul big items. Some people want that.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Current Pathfinder isn't even like yours anymore. It's now like most other mid/small SUVs; light(er) tow rating, mediocre (mid 20's) fuel economy, expensive (high $30k/low $40k MSRP). The body on frame SUVs are an endangered species. And the ones that are left are quite expensive. ($50k buys you a base model, cloth interior Yukon.)

    I wonder if a brand new Pathfinder would comfortably tow your trailer.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Yeah, the current Pathy is watered down compared to the 2nd gen. I really don't think the new ones have a good tow rating/tongue weight. I'd have to look it up.

    The latest 4Runner is pretty badass. I wouldn't mind one of those.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    It's a truck for someone who has SOME need for a truck but realizes they don't actually NEED a truck.

    I call my Pathfinder my "truck" because it's built on the Frontier chassis. Same frame, same drivetrain, same capabilities, just has an enclosed caboose.

    Seems like it's more of a truck than this Ridgeline, but you won't see me bashing the Honda. I think Honda found a niche market. People that buy it aren't in the market for a full size or even a half size. They're also not in the market for a mini-van. They're looking for a car that can still handle stuff that the typical person would need to throw in a truck bed. Something in between. Would you rather them buy the biggest pick-up on the market when the biggest thing they're hauling are the occational few sheets of dry wall? No reason for that.

    I don't think it's trying to be a truck. I think it's trying to be a car with ground clearance that can haul big items. Some people want that.
    This niche market has been seen before, and they are dinosaurs (el camino, ranchero, brat, baha, VW, etc... and as impractical as the el camino was, the early ones had some fucking style - the RL is hideous). I suspect this Ridgeline is just the latest incarnation of the niche and will die off before too long. It just seems like too many compromises to deal with, when you could have a nice mid-size SUV with more towing capacity, V8 and interior cargo space (Jeep GC comes to mind). If a person has SOME occasional need for a truck, I'd much rather have a nice SUV and pull a trailer.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Say what you want about the ridgeline, but it had some nice features I'm surprised more truck companies haven't adopted yet. The in bed storage was a huge plus. I drove Squirrels a couple times once, and it was just driver friendly. Tons of storage, everything I needed (cant remember details, but I know I liked it). Hell, even the dual use tailgate was handy. For what it was, it worked pretty nice.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Isn't the 4Runner a Tacoma with an enclosed bed, extra row of seats and price markup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Isn't the 4Runner a Tacoma with an enclosed bed, extra row of seats and price markup?
    It's got different suspension out back among other things. Coil springs vs leaf. Much nicer ride.

    New model Taco has a new engine, current 4Runner is still using the old Taco engine at this point.

    I'd have sects with either really.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    I have a 09 RTL and love it. Its hauled myself and 2 other people plus my track bike and all gear for a few days with comfort. Also comes in handy around the holidays when my wife, kid, dog, and I need to head to the inlaws or my family. Plenty of room and nobody is scrunched. I had zero need for crazy towing or hauling. Just the occasional trip to home depot or the dump, hauling the 2 wheeled toys or jetski. Fun to play around with in the snow as well. Buried it in a snowbank last year doing doughnuts in the work parking lot and she drove right out no issues. If i still had my track bike or was looking at getting into racing id keep the truck but 1 kid with talks of another means its time for a family car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTD View Post
    Not sure if you mean the new one or the original... but as for the original Ridgeline, these were selling points for me.

    The drivetrain was also the best I've ever had. It was Front wheel drive unless the wheels slipped...then could transfer to rear as much as needed.
    i was referring to the new one. i guess i didnt realize that the gen 1s were FWD also. they are just listed as 4x4
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    Current Pathfinder isn't even like yours anymore. It's now like most other mid/small SUVs; light(er) tow rating, mediocre (mid 20's) fuel economy, expensive (high $30k/low $40k MSRP). The body on frame SUVs are an endangered species. And the ones that are left are quite expensive. ($50k buys you a base model, cloth interior Yukon.)

    I wonder if a brand new Pathfinder would comfortably tow your trailer.
    there a 3 SUVs that havent gone all "crossover". the Tahoe, exterra, and 4 runner. nissan has announced that the exterra will die this year so that will leave 2 REAL SUVs left. cant say im surprised. in this world pussifying everything. it all has to drive comfy like a car. not that im complaining about a nice ride but i expect a certain amount of ruggedness in really anything rated to tow over 5k lbs

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Isn't the 4Runner a Tacoma with an enclosed bed, extra row of seats and price markup?
    i dont think they share anything but i could be wrong. the new Taco has a different motor and trans than the 4R but i am unsure about the frame. oddly i REALLY like the 4R but that 5 speed trans in it is a bit of a turnoff. i wont be surprised to see the new Taco drivetrain in the 4R next year. that should help its MPG a little. really surprised that the maker of the prius doesnt have better fuel efficiency in their "trucks"

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    Nissan still has the Armada (although dated) as a body on frame. I think the Expedition (also very dated) has body on frame. No idea what the Durango is now. It has a pretty high tow rating so it wouldn't surprise me to have a frame. Toyota has the Land Cruiser which I think is framed as well as the Sequoia. So they do exist, but they come in a big wrapper.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    I had a 2008 RL for 5 years. I absolutely loved it.
    Did everything I needed it to. General homeowner hauling. 2 dirt bikes, trackbike, etc. No issues.
    Was a tank in the snow with the snow tires I had on there.

    Only reason I got rid of it is because my commute went from 6 miles/day to 100/day.

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    Re: Is a ridgeline a pickup?

    you are correct. i probably blocked those out of my head because they seat 19 people.

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