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    All Season Tires


    Are any all season tires worth a shit in the snow? Asking for my girlfriend. I have always done summers/winters on separate wheels in the past.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Nokian WRG3?

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Winters are cheaper than a deductible and/or the inconvenience of a crash.

    Those Nokians might be the closest to a reasonable year round tire but I still think real snows are worth it.

    All that said, if the driver is still clueless tires don't matter much anyway.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    the WRG3 is probably the best compromise between a full on "snow/ice" tire and an all season tire, they have a 50k tread life warranty, the biggest negative with them is that they are somewhat noisey, but they don't squirm on dry pavement like many snow/ice tires do

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Michelin LTX on my truck are great in the snow, quiet, and last a long time(70K warranty). Check out the siping.


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    Re: All Season Tires

    never been impressed with Michelin's siping compared to a Nokian

    or even a much less expensive General Altimax Arctic

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    Re: All Season Tires

    I've sold some Toyo Celsius "all weather" tires. People* seem happy with them.

    *People who don't need to drive if it's nasty and live on a main road. I would no sooner run all seasons in winter than road race on ten year old take off dual sports. Your winter may vary.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    I run the Michelin LTX's on my truck. No need for snows.

    This is inevitably going to turn into a snow-dick contest.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    I've run all season passenger tires, mud tires, light truck, etc and also dedicated snows tires.

    There're really is no comparison... when it comes to winter snow/ice traction, the snow tires can't be beat.

    Do you NEED them? That's up to you, but there is no denying the added traction they provide.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    I run the Michelin LTX's on my truck. No need for snows.

    This is inevitably going to turn into a snow-dick contest.
    LTXs where what was on my Chevy van, they were not only terrible in the snow compared to Nokians, they were also not load rated that the LT designation would lead one to believe and the cords all busted up during frost heave season

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    never been impressed with Michelin's siping compared to a Nokian

    or even a much less expensive General Altimax Arctic
    You're comparing Michelin all season siping to dedicated snow tire siping? You win that race

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Have worked great for years for me. Smooth, quiet and good enough traction. I'm sure they aren't as good as snows.

    My Toyota is light enough to not kill these tires on shitty dirt roads. My boss' Chevy 1500 isn't either. Maybe it was the added weight of the 4wd on the van?

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    You're comparing Michelin all season siping to dedicated snow tire siping? You win that race
    Top pic it the Nokian WRG3 all season,

    yes, the Altimax is a dedicated snow

    my van was not a 4wd, an 81 G20 straight 250ci 6

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    Re: All Season Tires

    On our fleet we used to put WR's or WRG2's on fwd sedans when we couldn't accommodate two sets of wheels, or operated more in SNE where most time was on cleared roads. Also had them on my WRX as a "tween" tire, Oct-Nov and Mar. They are very civilized for a winter tire, stop turn and wet road handling better than the more serious friction snows.

    They do get noisy. But I got a call from our Engineering Manager one December who said, "I'm alive because of these tires." He was on 84 in Hartford when a truck jackknifed ahead of him. Several cars spun, hit guard rails, or hit the truck. He was able to slow down, avoid all the drama, and took a handy exit.

    We use them less now partly because the latest generation of winter tires like the Hakka R2 are so good. So I haven't used the G3, personally.

    BTW we have Nokian nTyre AS the rest of the year and I left them on one November to try in snow. They're good as AS tires go.

    We had Michelin LTX on our van and they sucked in snow. We switched to AT2's just to be able to move it around the parking lot in winter.

    WR vs Hakka RSI. WR has rounded shoulder for more aggressive cornering and circumferential rain grooves. The Hakkas have a square shoulder for more contact area, even more siping and presumably a softer compound.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Both of the ladies in my life ride on General Arctic Max snows in the winter. Worth every damn penny and time to swap. I pulled the all season tires off Em's Subi and put the Generals on because I ain't for being worried about her... The wife's Saab 9-3 goes as good or better than my 4x4 pick up.

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    I'm allll about the snow tire, but warwick sees a lot less snow than a lot of the other people on this forum. If she drives in snow like 2 times a year for 10 miles, they probably are hard to justify. Though if she is very nervous about snow driving with a constant eye on the weather report, they might let her enjoy winter.

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    What does she have for a car? WRG3 sure sounds like the perfect tire for her.

    A friend of mine is a minister in Boston and he often has to get out in bad weather. But he didn't want to have two sets. He only drives 4,000 miles a year, so he got Michelin Xi3's and leaves them on year-round. WRG3 would have been perfect but the dealer he goes to doesn't sell them.

    We tried the X-Ice 2 and they performed well but don't last as long as Nokian. We also have Blizzak WS80's (we always tried the newest tires on one vehicle) and it's good, but the Hakka R2 is still King.

    We buy them at John and Sons Tires in Manchester NH.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    We had Michelin LTX on our van and they sucked in snow.
    And I've had the exact opposite experience albeit on a different type of vehicle. Perhaps it's a weight distribution issue because I've been running LTXs on my wife's previous Mountaineer and currently her Nissan Armada and they've been excellent in the snow. So good in fact that I've never considered getting her dedicated snows and she has never complained about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    And I've had the exact opposite experience albeit on a different type of vehicle. Perhaps it's a weight distribution issue because I've been running LTXs on my wife's previous Mountaineer and currently her Nissan Armada and they've been excellent in the snow. So good in fact that I've never considered getting her dedicated snows and she has never complained about them.
    Here's the Tirerack reviews. Winter/Snow score 5.4. They last a tremendously long time, though: we replaced the rears at 75,000 miles and the fronts at 95,000 miles on one van and 75,000 on the second one.

    And the LTXA/T2 we replaced them with. It's a little noisier, but not a show-stopper, at least on a cargo van.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    There's the difference. The LTX A/S is a higher mileage model with less aggressive tread than some of the other LTX models. I'm running the LTX M/S2 (275/60R20) on my wife's truck which are known to be a fair amount better in the snow than the A/S which isn't available for 20" wheels. The M/S2 was replaced with the Defender LTX M/S and that will be the next set of sneakers when the time comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rada View Post
    Both of the ladies in my life ride on General Arctic Max snows in the winter. Worth every damn penny and time to swap. I pulled the all season tires off Em's Subi and put the Generals on because I ain't for being worried about her... The wife's Saab 9-3 goes as good or better than my 4x4 pick up.

    Same on all my sedans in the house. Next level up would be spikes lol

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    What Rada said. Have those on my spare steel wheels now.

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    Re: All Season Tires

    No doubt, Hakks have been the best snow tire I have ever run, but the General Arctics run a close second at half the price

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    Re: All Season Tires

    That car and Nokian Hakka 2's was the best winter car/tire combo I've ever owned. Much more fun than the trucks in the snow if the depth wasn't too deep!

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    Re: All Season Tires

    This is the 1st time I've ever heard about the Nokian brand and it seems like it is not even listed on tirerack.com. The discounttiredirect does not have it in stock for a very common car - Honda Accord.
    what gives?!

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