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    Re: Snow tires....


    So, my stretch of usually messy back road was a good test of new tires yesterday. Had maybe 8 inches unplowed in the morning and the resulting hard pack in the evening.
    The deep snow performance was pretty good, but the truck definitely favored the ruts over breaking new trail. Really impressed on the untreated hard pack, though. Lots of grip and predictability.
    So far so good with these LT3s.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    Pretty sure Blizzak's used to advertise that once the tread was below a certain depth, to use them in the summer and finish them off. Something along those lines. Not enough tread for snow, but still a functional tire. And if you're not in deep podwer, the rubber composition means a nearly bald one is still decent on ice, and not the worst in a dusting of snow. They really suffer in slush at that point though.
    All studless snows are similar in that regard. The outer 50% of the tread depth is a different rubber than the rest and is where the studless 'magic' happens. Using either walnut shells or other means the rubber is porous so that it is loaded with micro siping, wear through it and now you're driving on normal sturdier rubber. Wears longer, doesn't have the magic grip.

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    Don’t think Nokian uses the two-compound approach but don’t find any mention pro or con. Bridgestone still does.
    The Blizzak WS-tires' Multicell tread compound comprises the top 55 percent of the tires' tread depth with a standard winter tread compound comprising the remaining 45 percent. When Blizzaks are approximately 50 percent worn, their "snow platform" tread depth indicators "connect" selected shoulder tread blocks to indicate that the Multicell tread compound is almost worn out, and that the enhanced snow and ice performance is about to end.
    Little known fact is that Bridgestone owns 17% of Nokian.

    Nokians have a wear indicator molded in. When the tire gets below 4mm (roughly 5/32nds AKA Gixxer72 units) in tread depth, it is no longer legally a snow tire in Europe. They also have two sets of wear bars, one set at 4mm for snow, and then the others at 2/32nd (legal minimum). Those Finns are wicked smaht.

    These are the R2 SUV’s we just sold. The “8” was worn off, but not by much as you can see from the depth gauge (10 Gixxer72’s is 7.9mm). How awesome if they went to 11....


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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    ...AKA Gixxer72 units...
    That made me laugh!

    Our Nissan with Michelin Defender LTX M/S tires in the last quarter of their life is still a beast in the snow.
    The wife's Sonata with OEM Micheline Primacy MXM4 tires was not very good at all. WS90s are getting mounted on the winter wheels on Saturday.
    I have Nokian ZLine A/S tires on my MKZ that I wanted to try in the snow once before swapping in the R3s but never got around to it.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Just because the "magic" of the blizzak is gone at 50%, doesn't mean it's just an "all-season" tire after that. It's still a softer compound than most a/s tires out there and typically still has a more aggressive pattern.

    I would take a 60 or maybe 70% worn blizzak over most a/s tires out there any day. Especially on just cold/icy pavement where you just need the softer compound (not moving volumes of slush/snow).

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Always been pretty happy with the General Altimax Artics and would like to get the 12ís next winter as it will be time for a new set

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Just got the WS90s mounted up for the wife's Sonata.



    Also, I can now safely say that the Nokian Z-Line A/S tires I have on my AWD MKZ are a small step above useless in the snow.
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    Re: Snow tires....

    I know this isn't for sale thread, but I haven't made the effort of pictures and stuff. I have 2 full wheel and tire setups with snows. One fit a 2003 BMW X5, it's on ugly wheels and has about half life left and I would sell for $150. The other is a steel wheel setup that fit a 2010 grand cherokee, they are near 75%, blizzaks, and I would sell that set for $300.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    What's the tire size ?

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    Sullivan Tire is now a Nokian dealer. Their website gives prices by vehicle or tire size. Even if you aren’t buying there it’s quite useful as they include installation. For the OBW we paid $794 for four 225/60x17 R3 SUV. Sullivan charges $840 for them so in the ballpark.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    I know this isn't for sale thread,///
    Spend $2 at an auto parts store for a tread depth gauge, measure them and put them in the ad. Half original tread depth = just about zero life for most winter tires.

    And find out the wheel specs from a site like https://www.wheel-size.com/ and get the wheel specs.

    Example: a 2010 Grand Cherokee 6 has stock size of 7.5Jx17 rims with 5” bolt pattern, 50.8mm offset and 71.5mm center bore. But 18, 19, and 20” rims were also available. I’d think you’d sell those quickly on CL now that we’ve had the first storm and GC owners learn the OEM tires blow.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Half original tread depth = just about zero life for most winter tires.
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    +1 on that, my Darkside General Altimax Arctic on my V-strom is at that point, now that I know it works, I'm gonna replace it with a Hakka

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    Re: Snow tires....

    These are the Nokian CR3’s we mounted on the Sprinter in size 235/65 x 16. Rated for 80psi and 3,200 lbs.



    Like the last couple gens, tread depth indicators are molded into the tire. I’ll measure the tread depth, surely it’s at least 13/Gixxer72’s and may be 15 or more.


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    Re: Snow tires....

    The WS90s are now on the Sonata (225/50R18). They are slightly noisier than the MXM4s that came off but that's to be expected.



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    i feel like im alone in this but i really dont care at all about how "loud" snow tires can be. Maybe cause im constantly listening to stuff.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    i feel like im alone in this but i really dont care at all about how "loud" snow tires can be. Maybe cause im constantly listening to stuff.
    I'm with you - I never thought it mattered. I can hear slight differences in tire noise, but usually never enough that it would be a purchasing criteria when it comes to standard street tires.

    Although I recently had a tire that surely had something weird going on, because it produced a surprisingly loud noise at slow speeds. I was convinced it was a bad wheel bearing. I didn't think a tire could make that kinda sound. Swapped the bearing and it didn't change anything. I swapped the tires later and it went away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    i feel like im alone in this but i really dont care at all about how "loud" snow tires can b e. Maybe cause im constantly listening to stuff.
    the cabins of most cars & trucks today are soundproofed very well, some cars even have active noise cancelling

    the reason to have quiet tires, is one of being considerate, and to reduce noise pollution

    listen to my video, what is loudest ? my exhaust ? tire noise from traffic ? locust ? my neighbor yelling at her kid ?

    I think TIRE NOISE

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    i feel like im alone in this but i really dont care at all about how "loud" snow tires can b e. Maybe cause im constantly listening to stuff.
    the cabins of most cars & trucks today are soundproofed very well, some cars even have active noise cancelling

    the reason to have quiet tires, is one of being considerate, and to reduce noise pollution

    listen to my video, what is loudest ? my exhaust ? tire noise from traffic ? locust ? my neighbor yelling at her kid ?

    I think TIRE NOISE

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Have an Apple Watch and the noise measurement is supposed to be pretty accurate. For the Nokians I’ve measured about 1dB at highway speeds: range is 68-72. They’re more sensitive to road surfaces than harder compounds so they sing here and there.

    The new R3 and CR3 are noticeably quieter than the Hakka 7’s on the old Outback.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    The WS90s are working very well on the wife's Sonata in the little bit of snow we've had since I swapped them on. I did make one mistake though. I assumed the TPMS sensors in the 2012 wheels I bought would work on our 2019. Turns out that 2014s and earlier used 315MHz transmitters while the 2015 and newer models use 433MHz. Worst of all, a new set off of E-Bay cost me less than $40 which would have been a no brainer when I had the tires mounted. I own a tire machine that I still need to modify to clamp wheels over 17 inches but the bead breaker should pull the tire far enough away so I can swap the transmitters out without completely removing the tires.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by golden chicken View Post
    Couldn't make it back up the (heavy thick snow/plow mess covered hill) street on my three season's old (this is the beginning of season 4) X-Ice's XI3 on my 2014 Mazda3 once I lost momentum waiting for a plow. Could've tried again and made it with a running start but I backed down the hill and went around the block instead to avoid the plow. The other way around had even more snow/plow mess but I kept up the momentum and made it fine. I'll measure the tread depth sometime soon and report back. I have a feeling my wife's 2010 Mazda3 with Altimax Arctics with more tread depth (same age, fewer miles) would've crawled home no problem.
    7/32 for anyone who cared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden chicken View Post
    7/32 for anyone who cared.
    Shocking as most X-Ice sizes are 10.5/32nds new and 7 is plenty of meat.

    We stopped using them after x-Ice2. Pluses were quiet and good handling on wet and dry roads, very good ice performance. Minus was they were premium priced - just about same as Hakkapelliitta- but didn’t last as long.

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    Yeah, I kind of expected to measure 5/32" or less the way they felt when I stopped moving uphill. They are still pretty sure footed on flat pavement.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Maybe a silly question but once their on the car do you guys bother taking your tires off and putting them back on with weather fluctuations? I put mine on in mid december when we were getting snow and ice mixtures. Since then it's been basically nill. I drove my truck for a few days when we got some snow and left the mazdarati in the garage. Last two weeks we've gotten almost no snow and nothing significant is in the forecast. My tires are in good shape but I can't help but feel like I'm throwing money out the window by driving on them in 40 or 50 degree days on the highway.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    On in the winter, off in spring. I don't have time to flip tires around every other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01xj View Post
    Maybe a silly question but once their on the car do you guys bother taking your tires off and putting them back on with weather fluctuations? I put mine on in mid december when we were getting snow and ice mixtures. Since then it's been basically nill. I drove my truck for a few days when we got some snow and left the mazdarati in the garage. Last two weeks we've gotten almost no snow and nothing significant is in the forecast. My tires are in good shape but I can't help but feel like I'm throwing money out the window by driving on them in 40 or 50 degree days on the highway.
    Definitely leave them on. "Snow tires" is a misnomer. It is winter tires. The compound behaves much better in the cold - it is softer. They are useful even if there is no snow.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Just ordered wheels and tires for the new sled. 18x8.5" rims. Pirelli Sotto 3 tires. Hopefully it turns this race car into a decent winter machine.

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